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Dick from Wellston

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Re: Bog on launch and off idle NEW INFO
« Reply #75 on: December 30, 2013, 09:10:26 pm »
So. When the belt is sitting on the clutch, I should have no more than .060 clearance between the belt and the sheaves correct?
I liked to go close to .030. The larger the clearance, the harder the clutch will slam the belt. This will cause a bog, some motors will have the power to handle it some won't.

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    Re: Bog on launch and off idle NEW INFO
    « Reply #76 on: December 30, 2013, 10:11:04 pm »
    Dick, that video from SLP says .010-.020 with .015 being optimal. That's just what they are saying.

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    Re: Bog on launch and off idle NEW INFO
    « Reply #77 on: December 30, 2013, 10:42:56 pm »
    iv always been told no more than .020
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    Re: Bog on launch and off idle NEW INFO
    « Reply #78 on: December 30, 2013, 10:43:26 pm »
    Everyone does this different, I would suggest what SLP said, set it close like that. It's what  I call pickup clearance. Think of it like a stick shift car. the closer the clearance the more graceful it will engage the belt. Big gap will hit hard, and if your motor can't pull it, it will bog. However, you need to have your secondary properly adjusted for belt tension as well.

    The Spider washers will adjust this, this won't change engagement RPM, just the way it starts to apply pressure to the belt. This also change the entire shift curve to a certain degree. Get this aspect worked out and then you can move on too Full shift RPM, over rev, and back shift. Racing is going to suck if you can't get off the line.

    Too much to explain in one post in my opinion. Sounds like your starting with no past history to work from, so in my opinion you need to work with an experienced clutch tuner, or as others have said, buy a lot of components and test, test, test.

    At minimum you need a gram scale, a pull scale for the secondary, and spring tension tester to evaluate idle and full full shift primary spring tension. No two springs are the same.

    Also, keep in mind the level of traction you have and gearing will also play into what works.
    « Last Edit: December 30, 2013, 11:26:08 pm by Rk80 »

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    Re: Bog on launch and off idle NEW INFO
    « Reply #79 on: December 30, 2013, 11:05:29 pm »
    Wow, Yikes............................LONG road ahead

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    Re: Bog on launch and off idle NEW INFO
    « Reply #80 on: December 30, 2013, 11:16:31 pm »
    we are right along side of you jeff!
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    Re: Bog on launch and off idle NEW INFO
    « Reply #81 on: December 30, 2013, 11:49:52 pm »
    You can overcome that bog with an 8000 rpm engagement.  ;D

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    Re: Bog on launch and off idle NEW INFO
    « Reply #82 on: December 30, 2013, 11:50:35 pm »
    we are right along side of you jeff!

    No, probably ahead not beside :) lol

    Dick from Wellston

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    Re: Bog on launch and off idle NEW INFO
    « Reply #83 on: December 31, 2013, 12:03:17 am »
    Dick, that video from SLP says .010-.020 with .015 being optimal. That's just what they are saying.
    I can go along with .015, but the closer you get, the lesser the leverage your weights have. With that said you need to see if you are getting to much belt slippage, you can check that by seeing how hot the clutch is.
      I drag race, I like stiff springs, and heavy weights.

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    Re: Bog on launch and off idle NEW INFO
    « Reply #84 on: December 31, 2013, 12:54:59 am »
    Thanks everyone! FYI, I am ready for my rude awakening when I finally get to race with others.  No expectations here! Hope to meet you all. Jeff

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    Re: Bog on launch and off idle NEW INFO
    « Reply #85 on: December 31, 2013, 01:04:23 am »

    Throw it into turn one sideways Jeff .......... then dart all over the track on the backstretch ............. dive it into turn three and run it up to the wall in four and dive it back down to the inside of the front straightaway.

    That should have your competition wondering .......... Holy Moley ???????  You should cruise to a victory in your first attempt.














    OK ...... seriously, just hold your line ..... drive it as hard as you can without taking out half the field and see where things shake out.  Get some seat time and try to figure out what your sled needs and start making adjustments.  Ask some questions when you need to, most people will try to point you in the right direction.

    Good luck, and have fun.

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    Re: Bog on launch and off idle NEW INFO
    « Reply #86 on: December 31, 2013, 01:17:30 am »
    Thanks G! I like the first advice better ;D Sounds like WISSOTA dirt trackin' ;) Jeff