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Title: Michigan Historic snowmobile registration.
Post by: Mike99ss on August 31, 2020, 11:17:19 pm
Is there any way to get the form for doing the vintage registration without going to the Secretary of States office. If I remember correctly, it's handled directly through Lansing anyway.
Title: Re: Michigan Historic snowmobile registration.
Post by: hotdoo on August 31, 2020, 11:55:27 pm
Some people may have had copies made, I did but I can't find them right now ! lol hotdoo
Title: Re: Michigan Historic snowmobile registration.
Post by: BLUEBYU on September 01, 2020, 12:46:56 am
I found the form on the SoS website

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/SOS448_Historic_Snowmobile_App_362171_7.pdf (https://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/SOS448_Historic_Snowmobile_App_362171_7.pdf)
Title: Re: Michigan Historic snowmobile registration.
Post by: Jekyll on September 01, 2020, 10:58:05 am
Michigan Historic Registration Information..

Effective September 2011, Michigan residents as well as non-Michigan residents (who's snowmobiles meet the age requirements) MAY also NOW PURCHASE a Michigan Historic Snowmobile Registration.  Cost of this Registration is $50 and remains valid for as long as you own the machine.  Snowmobiles that are registered as Historic are EXEMPT from the requirement to also have Michigan Snowmobile Trail Permit.

ALL Michigan Historic Registrations are processed by mail only, and there are a couple of documents that must also accompany the Historic Registration application.  It's a pretty easy process and last I heard, it was taking just over 5 working days turnaround time (my be as much a two weeks now).

Here is the link for Historic Snowmobile application.  You will type directly on the document and then print it off and sign.             http://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/SOS448_Historic_Snowmobile_App_362171_7.pdf (http://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/SOS448_Historic_Snowmobile_App_362171_7.pdf)

If you have a current OR expired MI snowmobile registration, send it along with the above document.  If you do NOT have a current or expired MI snowmobile registration you will need to complete the Certificate of Ownership form.

Certificate of Ownership form link.

You submit the Application form for each sled, also send in the Ownership Certification Form or Proof of Ownership form-- this form asks where/when/how much you paid.   

Here is the link for this form:    http://www.michigan.gov/documents/tr-205_16198_7.pdf (http://www.michigan.gov/documents/tr-205_16198_7.pdf)


You will need to fill out one of these for each sled, and you will also have to pay the tax due on the purchase price claimed.

If you have any problems please get back with us- we have the staff at the special projects section of SOS in Lansing pretty well in line with how this is supposed to work- but if you have any trouble please don't hesitate.  We can call them after we get the facts from you.

Everything gets mailed to the following address (note, the below address is correct, there is not a street number for this address).

 

Michigan Department of State

Out-of-State Resident Services Unit

Lansing, MI  48918
Title: Re: Michigan Historic snowmobile registration.
Post by: Triple Z on September 01, 2020, 01:44:35 pm
We are hearing it should take 2-3 weeks  (maybe just a tad more during the current times)

Do me a favor and let us know how long it takes from when you mailed in to get it back,   and the number of the reg sticker when it arrives.

Don't wait-   do it NOW--  snow will be here soon and the vintage rides and fun begins !!     
Title: Re: Michigan Historic snowmobile registration.
Post by: Rampage on September 02, 2020, 03:42:35 am
Good luck.  I sent in my check and sales tax only to get back 3 months later a Check  from State of Michigan without sales tax and a sorry we can't register it. Spending my money in other states now.
Title: Re: Michigan Historic snowmobile registration.
Post by: Jekyll on September 02, 2020, 02:39:43 pm
Good luck.  I sent in my check and sales tax only to get back 3 months later a Check  from State of Michigan without sales tax and a sorry we can't register it. Spending my money in other states now.

Rampage,

Lots of good help on this site about this subject for a couple of members from the original committee.  Sure would love to help you get this resolved, maybe a simple error that we could help resolve.

Please reach out to myself or Doug (Triple Z) with any specifics that can help us track down the particular problem with your Historic Registration.  I know Doug has had a tremendous about of success helping with these issues.

Thanks!
Roger
Title: Re: Michigan Historic snowmobile registration.
Post by: uncletom on September 03, 2020, 12:58:58 am
And be sure to keep copies of everything you send them! Make notes of when you send it in!
Title: Re: Michigan Historic snowmobile registration.
Post by: jd440 on September 14, 2020, 02:02:19 am
The Michigan Snowmobile & ORV association is proposing to lobby for changes to the historic registration, capping it at sleds manufactured before 1993, eliminating the current 25 year old rule.  See the attachment from their recent publication
Title: Re: Michigan Historic snowmobile registration.
Post by: MR Misfit on September 15, 2020, 06:42:56 pm
$65 for trail sticker glad i like riding my old stuff
Title: Re: Michigan Historic snowmobile registration.
Post by: thefoolsbro on September 15, 2020, 11:58:21 pm
$65 for trail sticker glad i like riding my old stuff

that is a proposal of what the DNR says is needed, still $48 this year
Title: Re: Michigan Historic snowmobile registration.
Post by: ldb on September 20, 2020, 01:20:22 pm
so what happens to all the 93 & 94 sleds already registered? are they going to revoke them? i would say if they need to change it, then stop it at 1999.
Title: Re: Michigan Historic snowmobile registration.
Post by: uncletom on September 20, 2020, 10:12:54 pm
so what happens to all the 93 & 94 sleds already registered? are they going to revoke them? i would say if they need to change it, then stop it at 1999.

But, Larry I've got a 2000 I'm waiting for!   LOL!

They are saying the snowmobile fund is losing revenue because we have the Historic registration, and I can say right now, I would not buy the regular registration or trail sticker for any of the sleds I have the historic sticker on.
Title: Re: Michigan Historic snowmobile registration.
Post by: Jekyll on September 22, 2020, 12:19:45 pm

The easy way to explain the dynamic is this..........

When the Historic Registration program started MSA (now MISORVA) was instrumental in getting the law passed.  There was a 4 member committee of Antique & Historic enthusiast that was formed and acted as an advisory group to help MSA/MISORVA navigate the inter-workings of our community/hobby.

As a joint committee, we looked at all available Michigan Snowmobile Registration data and extrapolated some very obvious facts.  When machines became 20 years old, there was a substantial drop in registration numbers.  As they moved to 25 years old, there was a larger drop and after 30 years even more had fallen out of the system.

We recommended, based on those facts, and to maintain continuity with other Historic Registration types (autos, motorcycles and watercraft) set forth within the Michigan Motor Vehicle Code, to recommend snowmobiles over 25 years old to be considered as Historic for purposes of this law.

At the time of the laws signing, a $50.00 Historic Registration represented double the cost of a annual trail permit. 
There was simply no way to judge if the Historic Registration program would be successful or not.

Over the past several years, our committee of four has been pushing back (mostly behind the scenes) against the proposed changes in the law that have been "floated" by MISORVA(then MSA).

I believe there are two key factors we must constantly battle. 

#1 Virtually none of MISORVA's current leadership held positions of leadership when the law was proposed and passed. 

#2 Perception is reality and, with most of MISORVA's leadership being over 50 years old, it's hard to maintain historical  context of what is "old" in each persons mind.

Should the law change, current registrations would still be valid.  Most likely there would be a "sunset" on Historic Registrations.

There are most likely two scenarios for a resolution.  Increased fee for Historic Registrations or the "sunset".

Want to make a difference?  Join you local snowmobile club and be a positive voice for the Historic Snowmobile Community!


Title: Re: Michigan Historic snowmobile registration.
Post by: 71coltrider on September 22, 2020, 01:45:06 pm
Our local snowmobile clubs are all about atvs so good luck there
Title: Re: Michigan Historic snowmobile registration.
Post by: DooSki74 on September 22, 2020, 06:21:35 pm
About four years ago I was at the Novi snow show talking to a Ski-Doo rep about the lack of introductory sleds, his response was "the organized trail system will be gone by the end of the next decade (i.e. the 20's) so we're focusing on the Western and Boondocking markets." At the time it pi$$ed me off, but sadly he's begging to look prophetic. Our local club is becoming a UTV club more and more every year, and I can't blame them with the crappy winters we've had in SW MI. The Historic Registration was almost a miracle that it passed and hopefully we can keep it alive a little longer. A huge Thank You to those that put all the hard work in and I'll keep sending e-mails to my State Rep and MSA.