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Title: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: palo on February 17, 2015, 01:53:58 AM
I posted an ad in the classifieds, haven't received any responses yet, but this is probably a better place for it.
 The 2016 theme for Waconia is Minnesota Orphans.
I have a '68 Larson that has been collecting dust for 30 years. What do you think about doing a Larson build? It's kind of an oddball that you don't see everyday. I'm more than willing to donate it. Sure it's not going to bring 40 grand but I don't think it's the amount of money we raise as much as what us as a vintage group can do for a good cause.
I don't want to head this up, but I want to help.
We don't have to do the Larson if somebody's got some other sled that they are willing to part with, we could even do more than 1, we did 2 the year of the Scorpion & Brut.
Let's discuss this a little and maybe somebody will grab the bull by the horns. I have $300.00 promised for the project (from donations).
<a href="http://s747.photobucket.com/user/palokangas/media/2477_zps98a9ac70.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx119/palokangas/2477_zps98a9ac70.jpg" border="0" alt="1968 Larson photo 2477_zps98a9ac70.jpg"/></a>
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: beverlynsteve on February 17, 2015, 02:01:43 AM
Generous offer......Hats off to you for the donation.  Hopefully someone will pick up the ball.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: duane on February 17, 2015, 02:04:58 AM
Yeah, Jack, maybe a Bullwhip? Or a Speedway....
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: palo on February 17, 2015, 02:10:53 AM
The Bull Whip only been collecting dust for a few years, and the Speedway wasn't build in Minnesota.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: GoJakesGo on February 17, 2015, 04:37:19 AM
2016 would be the perfect opportunity to restore a few oddballs at a reasonable cost. Vintage sledding is about family and camaraderie. A few simple restored singles would be awesome way bring a few buddies/family together.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on February 17, 2015, 01:07:57 PM
that would be a dandy Jack!    ;)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Stigmen on February 17, 2015, 06:21:19 PM
As being part of the Brutanza Brut build, I know it is a lot of work but the payoff is great.  It's for a great cause, rewarding and the life-long friends you make are priceless.

I too will assist with the build and am ready to send cash donations to any and every sled that is to be built.

Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: palo on February 17, 2015, 11:10:20 PM
 Dirtman, I could deliver the Larson to your shop! I'm sure there are guys in your part of the country that are willing to participate.
    When we did the Aloutte build for the Antique club we disassembled it at a summer meeting, and put it mostly back together at the next summer meeting. People just took a part home and refurbished it.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on February 18, 2015, 11:48:34 AM
Dirtman, I could deliver the Larson to your shop! I'm sure there are guys in your part of the country that are willing to participate.
    When we did the Aloutte build for the Antique club we disassembled it at a summer meeting, and put it mostly back together at the next summer meeting. People just took a part home and refurbished it.

hmmmm, let me give that one some thought Jack!    :-\    would be a cool build, and i'm sure i could round up some help on it?  how bout it "up nort" guys?    ???  looks like a real decent sled to start with!    8)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on February 18, 2015, 03:51:10 PM
I just talked to dirtman,  I'm in along with my dad and son.   this will be cool!  and I'm more than happy to help!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Gilson435 on February 18, 2015, 04:27:02 PM
Count me in 8)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on February 18, 2015, 05:45:21 PM
hey Jack, sent you a pm......   sent out multiple txt messages this morning to get a feel, and the response to help is very positive!  us NORTHERN BOYS would gladly take this project on!

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on February 19, 2015, 12:46:00 AM
well i talked with Jack today, and we're gonna talk more on Fri. at Roseau.  the way it looks, us boys up north are gonna take this charity build on!   ;D   we won't let ya down.     ;)   details will follow after the particulars are worked out.   i'm excited to do this and even tho it's gonna be WAY up north..., EVERYONE will be welcome to come and join the fun!     8)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: palo on February 19, 2015, 01:30:55 AM
  Looks like I'll be taking  a road trip up North with the Larson. Thanks Dirtman for taking the project on.  Spoke with the Waconia committee, no problem with having more then one charity sled.
  What do you think about doing another one some were more south of the border???.  The build is going to be in Argyle, MN.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: swede on February 19, 2015, 01:42:34 AM
Sounds like Dirtman has the ducks in a row.  Should be an excellent build!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on February 19, 2015, 04:00:14 PM
think it's an excellent idea to get another build goin south of the equator!  (southern part of mini-soda)   getting vintage sledheads together is what excited me the most about this!    8)    and it will go to a great cause!!    ;)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Recoil on February 21, 2015, 07:07:38 AM
So where is the build actually taking place?
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on February 21, 2015, 11:14:59 AM
So where is the build actually taking place?

the build on the 68 Larson will take place at my shop, way up north in Argyle, MN.   details will come later but EVERYONE is welcome!    ;)  shud be a great time!    palo would also like to get one goin in the southern part of the state!   

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: palo on February 24, 2015, 11:59:19 PM
Well the Old Larson saw the lite of day for the first time in years! It's loaded and ready to go to its new next home on Thursday. Anybody ready to tackle a build in a more southern zone. There's a lot of ORPHANS out there.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: obj1 on February 25, 2015, 12:08:23 AM
I'll help out any way I can also. Just don't tell anyone I even looked a larson.Tom
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Wedde on February 25, 2015, 02:51:53 AM
Let me know what you need for parts donations, always glad to help out!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on February 25, 2015, 12:51:52 PM
thanks Wedde and the others that have offered to help!  Jack is bringing the Larson up tomorrow, i'll take the initial "look see" but won't know a whole lot till we do the initial tear down. it does look to be a very nice sled to start with!   HATS OFF to Jack for donating the Larson!    8)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: chris r on February 25, 2015, 01:48:12 PM
Good looking donor sled. Looking forward to seeing it come together. The Alouette that was auctioned off really had me excited.

I wish we had something going in MI like this. I asked around about a year or so back but couldn't get any solid offers of help. Maybe someday we can get one going.

Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Stigmen on February 25, 2015, 02:26:56 PM
Please provide and address and/or Paypal account to send cash donations to.

If there is going to be anymore sleds to be built to even out the stage at the banquet, let me know.  I will have cash donations for those also and manual labor if the build is held in my area.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on February 25, 2015, 02:29:43 PM
i may just stop by tomorrow and check the old girl out milt..........this is going to be fun.......
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on February 25, 2015, 02:58:58 PM
WE WILL BE USING MY PAYPAL ACCOUNT FOR THE "NORTHERN" WACONIA CHARITY BUILD.  PLEASE PM ME IF YOU WISH TO DONATE IN THAT FASHION.  PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU SEND IT AS A GIFT SO PAYPAL DOESNT GET A CUT.    THANK YOU.  IF YOU WISH TO SEND A CHECK OR MONEY ORDER, CONTACT ME OR DIRTMAN AND WE WILL GIVE YOU OUR MAILING ADDRESS.   THANKS GUYS  MY # IS 218-689-0769   
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on February 25, 2015, 05:32:31 PM
thanks for stepping forward on that REX!  you can contact me by pm, email or phone. phone doesn't always ring in my shop or show missed call, so make sure you leave a message!  THANK YOU!

Milt aka dirtman

218-289-0660

bigsmidty@gmail.com
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on February 26, 2015, 01:00:57 PM
the Larson is making the trip to the northland today!    ;D   Jack and a friend shud be leaving for my place about now....  lookin to be a favorable day for his journey.     8)  really fired up to get a first hand look at this GEM!    ;)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: JLOpower on February 26, 2015, 01:19:55 PM
I have the white recoil cup, red rubber bumper and probably some other recoil parts NOS I would like to donate. Which engine is it exactly? I'll scour my parts hoard.

I'll PM Dirtman for the shipping address.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on February 26, 2015, 01:24:29 PM
THANKS JLOpower!    8)  that"s greatly appreciated!   this is gonna be SO MUCH FUN!    ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Brokenleg on February 26, 2015, 01:26:47 PM
Great project guys. Wish I lived closer, would be fun. I don't know how much you need to do this project. But we have like 1500 members that are pretty much logged in all the time. If all 1500 kicked in $5 , that would be $7500.00. Cheap for everyone and I would think that should be enough to do a real nice restore.   Dirtman, When you guys get started, Make a new thread in Restorations so the rest of us can follow along.  Brokenleg
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on February 26, 2015, 02:20:07 PM
the camera is ready brokenleg!    ;D   that would be great to even get a fraction of that in monetary donations to cover paint and decal costs, etc.  so far, the offers of help have been overwhelmingly fantastic!

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on February 26, 2015, 02:27:38 PM
we will definitely have a thread in the restoration section!    cant wait to see the new sled and get to work
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Mario on February 26, 2015, 02:28:02 PM
I guess I know what we will be doing when we come visit in tree weaks!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on February 26, 2015, 02:33:20 PM
I guess I know what we will be doing when we come visit in tree weaks!

I know you better bring a track for this old girl................lol
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on February 26, 2015, 02:47:21 PM
had some ?'s on donating thru paypal for the charity build.  It used to be send as a gift.  Apparently that has changed,  send to "friends and family"   walk thru there, it will not take a % if you donate that way.   thanks
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Mario on February 26, 2015, 04:39:08 PM
I guess I know what we will be doing when we come visit in tree weaks!

I know you better bring a track for this old girl................lol

That was one of the first things I brought up to Dirt! :)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on February 26, 2015, 09:18:30 PM
I guess I know what we will be doing when we come visit in tree weaks!

I know you better bring a track for this old girl................lol

That was one of the first things I brought up to Dirt! :)

call you tonite buddy!

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: JLOpower on February 27, 2015, 01:03:09 AM
Made this sticky for ya. Keep it on top.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on February 27, 2015, 01:07:44 AM
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!    8)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: palo on February 27, 2015, 01:56:34 AM
That's nice ! I like it tagged too. Thank you.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on February 27, 2015, 02:54:48 AM
Thanks for sticking it!   And jack was nice meeting you today!  Pics tomorrow of the project
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on February 27, 2015, 02:22:06 PM
THANK YOU RUPP LUVER FOR YOUR DONATION!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on February 27, 2015, 02:28:37 PM
DEEP WITHIN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE STATE IN A HIDDEN LOCATION ONLY KNOW TO A SELECT FEW LIVES THE DIRTMAN.  HERE HE IS SHOWN WITH PALO(JACK) UPON DELIVERY OF THE WACONIA CHARITY BUILD SLED.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on February 27, 2015, 02:30:36 PM
IT IS A VERY STRAIGHT SLED.  GOOD STARTING POINT WILL MAKE OUR JOB ALL THAT MUCH EASIER
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: winter_thunder on February 27, 2015, 04:59:39 PM
Awesome choice of sled!  Wish I lived closer. 
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: svnuccadoc on February 27, 2015, 05:05:22 PM
Man, that thing is clean. You guys could just wash and wax it, then spend the rest of the time drinking beer.Then claim to have spend hundreds of hours getting it ready to go and no one would be the wiser. Just my 2 cents.  ;)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on February 27, 2015, 05:40:13 PM
it's pretty decent Clint, but it'll be BRAND NEW when it gets done!    ;)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: 71TXman on February 28, 2015, 01:16:37 PM
Very cool guys!!!! What a neat machine!

Not sure if it would be a good idea for me to be there....I would be like a kid in a candy story and drooling on the treasures around Dirtman's palace  ;) And making tracks with his rear engine machines  ;D So what I am getting at is I would probably not be much help  :D

Hey Milt, I am really digging that 71 Charger!!!! Another machine on my list to get some year!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on February 28, 2015, 01:31:50 PM
Very cool guys!!!! What a neat machine!

Not sure if it would be a good idea for me to be there....I would be like a kid in a candy story and drooling on the treasures around Dirtman's palace  ;) And making tracks with his rear engine machines  ;D So what I am getting at is I would probably not be much help  :D

Hey Milt, I am really digging that 71 Charger!!!! Another machine on my list to get some year!

get your butt up here!  you can drive the super mountaineer all day long if ya want!    ;)   just a bunch of junk layin around otherwise?    ::)   the 71 charger is an original except for the windshield. developed a fuel delivery problem last time i rode it... thinkin a pto crank seal. ummm that was a yr ago already, maybe i shud fix  that!    ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: 71TXman on February 28, 2015, 01:47:18 PM
Its only 6.5 hours one way from here   8)  That 71 is junk now, I can take it off yer hands fer ya  ;D

When are the build dates of this machine? I do not think I saw it posted on the other pages...

Palo, that was very nice for you to donate that!!! And of course nice of Milt for having the build at his place!!!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: mtstarfires on February 28, 2015, 04:11:54 PM
 ;D ;D so is it going to be ready to ride when i come and visit?  ken
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on March 01, 2015, 01:31:04 PM
 :o   depends on when ya gonna be here Ken?    ???    ;)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on March 02, 2015, 01:26:12 PM
i've set the official "tear-down" date for March 19th, 2015. i know it's a Thursday, but Don (aka mario) will be at my place and more or less want to have a get together with some of the local guys when he's here!    ;)   hoping you can make it!    8)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on March 03, 2015, 04:57:23 PM
I am in Duluth.  You probably have the engine work covered but If you need any help, I know that 297 JLO very well.  Happy to donate my time to freshen up the old one lunger.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: LUMPY on March 04, 2015, 12:41:51 AM
To all of you charity volunteers I truly respect your creativity and efforts! My following thoughts are of deepest respect to all of the great minds that surround this website and please hear me out.
The old sled manufactures produced not only commercial sleds , but also hand built factory racers. One could say the factory racers had the most current performance tricks incorporated into them . I would love to see all of your great minds collaborate on a vintage customer for the Charity build . The sled would have a racer theme , an old school design , and all of this groups twist on style.
We all have cherished custom hot rods , chopped bikes , and factory muscle sleds think of what could be created from this group! Sure 2016 is underway but what would this group produce if this was embraced for 2017?
Just food for thought.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on March 04, 2015, 02:36:56 PM
i've set the official "tear-down" date for March 19th, 2015. i know it's a Thursday, but Don (aka mario) will be at my place and more or less want to have a get together with some of the local guys when he's here!    ;)   hoping you can make it!    8)

dirtman

ill provide lunch!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Gilson435 on March 04, 2015, 02:38:50 PM
What time you guys thinkin? I work till 4pm but I might be able to make it over after work if you'll be working on it that late.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on March 04, 2015, 03:17:39 PM
show up early, stay late? show up later, whenever you can make it guys!     ;)   tear down is not gonna take long, then the deciding who wants to do what, when, where.   painting, chroming ideas.  IT'S ALL ABOUT THE GATHERING OF VINTAGE SLED HEADS!    8)   oh did i mention BS?  stories that will turn into legends that carry on for centuries!    ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on March 04, 2015, 03:23:11 PM
I am in Duluth.  You probably have the engine work covered but If you need any help, I know that 297 JLO very well.  Happy to donate my time to freshen up the old one lunger.

that would be super!    8)   THANKS! i'll send you a pm.    ;)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Mario on March 04, 2015, 10:32:02 PM
Hey Dirt! Does that take the same windshield as the 66 Mustang/67 Colt? If so, I got sum!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on March 05, 2015, 10:48:38 AM
Hey Dirt! Does that take the same windshield as the 66 Mustang/67 Colt? If so, I got sum!

i believe it does?    ???   i'll check that out today!     ;)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on March 05, 2015, 02:35:17 PM
Hey Dirt! Does that take the same windshield as the 66 Mustang/67 Colt? If so, I got sum!
I HOPE YOU LIKE WALLEYE MARIO????   ;D
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Mario on March 06, 2015, 06:22:58 PM
Wally who!? Is he an abnoxious fella? :o
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on March 12, 2015, 11:19:45 AM
REMEMBER THE DATE:  Thurs. March 19th is tear down day/evening.  hope many of you can make it!   thanks Dan (rupplover), Gregg (brokenleg) and Pat (WrenchDeere) for your cash donations.  wankel303 has volunteered to freshen the big powerhouse 297 JLO for us!  skegg777 (Seats by Conrad) will be doing the seat! Mario has a brand new track built for it too!   8)    8)   one item i do know that will be needed is a new or real clean gas tank.  it's the red suitcase tank like used on the old Arctic Cats. any more CASH donations will be greatly appreciated! 

THANK YOU and see many of you in a week!    ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: mtstarfires on March 16, 2015, 02:00:58 AM
 ;Dwon,t be able to make it milt. used up all my gas money dragging that 3 hole boat anchor back from jelleystone.   ken
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on March 16, 2015, 02:11:52 AM
WOW! the Dodge that hard on gas?    :o   you're only a couple hrs away!     ::)    ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: mtstarfires on March 16, 2015, 02:25:58 PM
WOW! the Dodge that hard on gas?    :o   you're only a couple hrs away!     ::)    ;D

dirtman
lets see, drive east for 2 hours and look for your place. thats about where the boat anchor fell off.   ken :-\ :'(
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: palo on March 18, 2015, 01:44:23 AM
Anybody got an Orphan they want to get rid of? Lets start there, maybe if somebody offers one,we can find someone to host a build. Good reason to get your shop straightened up. Milt can we see pics. of your clean shop,or did your back give out before you got that far.  Waiting to see the ol Larson in pieces.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on March 18, 2015, 01:21:11 PM
tear down is tomorrow.  I will post pics
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: mtstarfires on March 18, 2015, 02:02:21 PM
talked to milt yesterday. i won't be able to make it but he assured me that someone could make the motor mount for the 795.  what a cool build. the only 795 larsen ever built.    :P :P ken
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: 71TXman on March 18, 2015, 06:14:21 PM
talked to milt yesterday. i won't be able to make it but he assured me that someone could make the motor mount for the 795.  what a cool build. the only 795 larsen ever built.    :P :P ken

With three holes out the top of the hood for some chrome megs!!!  ;D  8)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Mario on March 19, 2015, 01:38:32 PM
Hey Ash Clown! You going to do that to the one you are building down south there? We gunna leave this one stock. ;)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on March 19, 2015, 01:55:26 PM
ya where is the southern build???????   guess they cant find a sled............... ::)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: 71TXman on March 19, 2015, 02:05:45 PM
Hey Ash Clown! You going to do that to the one you are building down south there? We gunna leave this one stock. ;)

Well, I did find anudder sled down the road from me I am picking up....it needs megs, you got any? A 530 fanner would be cool to put in it too...

I have not heard of a southern minnysoda build as of yet. Anything three hole powered would be sweet!! I could just invision right now, a minnesota orphan sled, that would be the hemi cuda of orphans with an 795cc triple F/A power plant  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Mario on March 19, 2015, 02:22:22 PM
I'm tink'en the only thing orphan about stuffing a seffen niney fife in a Larson would be your kids

 :o
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: mtstarfires on March 19, 2015, 03:32:24 PM
I'm tink'en the only thing orphan about stuffing a seffen niney fife in a Larson would be your kids

 :o
hey mario, i have the chrome megs for it also. thanks justin for a great idea.   probably not a hemi cudda though. more like a shelby GT 500 KR
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: 71TXman on March 19, 2015, 05:17:47 PM
I'm tink'en the only thing orphan about stuffing a seffen niney fife in a Larson would be your kids

 :o
hey mario, i have the chrome megs for it also. thanks justin for a great idea.   probably not a hemi cudda though. more like a shelby GT 500 KR

No problem Ken, I am full of good idea's, you should hear what the voices in my head come up with  ;D  8)  ;)  :)

I have always considered the 795 Fuji Polaris's as the hemi cuda of vintage muscle sleds....it just don't get any better  ;) And what is fun to do with a big block of any sorts? Of course to put it in a sled that nobody would ever suspect has a big block  8)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: swede on March 19, 2015, 11:44:57 PM
Thought of yous guys today wish I could have made it.  Unfortunately work got in the way!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on March 20, 2015, 03:25:35 AM
Had a great time.  Will be posting pics tomorrow!  Thanks to all the guys and the help
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on March 20, 2015, 04:02:16 AM
Rex did an excellent job on the walleye n taters! thanks buddy!   ;)   Mario took control of my kitchen and whipped up some fabulous baked beans also!    8)   had a super time with the guys!  can't wait to see some of the pics!  i had no clue that you were takin that many!    :o    the tear down went exceptionally well!     ;)   thank you to the guys that were able to make it.    ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: black cat 68 on March 20, 2015, 01:59:50 PM
I missed Walleye, darn.  Sorry couldn't make it, got a nasty cold and last thing i wanted to do is show up and spread my germs.  Hopefully i can still help out in one way or another.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on March 20, 2015, 02:17:08 PM
milt got things started off............at least I think that is milts shop..........not really sure, seemed familiar, but not.......way too clean   ::) :o
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on March 20, 2015, 02:19:42 PM
we had an all star cast!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on March 20, 2015, 02:23:12 PM
Todd Grabanski and Dan janisch showed up to offer their expert help! 
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on March 20, 2015, 02:26:49 PM
Dr. Mario says get out my way, I got a narly set of tools........... :o

santa clause showed up since it was his off season.............lol
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on March 20, 2015, 02:30:39 PM
once milt and don got out of the way,  they really got stuff done.............. ;D
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on March 20, 2015, 02:34:56 PM
and the out comes the JLO thumper..............
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on March 20, 2015, 02:37:37 PM
Daryl Olson and Corey Trudell showed up and got in on the action
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on March 20, 2015, 02:40:57 PM
chain case took a little longer than expected.  but they got er done!! ;D
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on March 20, 2015, 02:47:33 PM
Here is the whole group!
from left to right.
my son Nick, me, Dan Janisch, Daryl Olson, Don Soukup(Dr. Mario), Art Seydel, DeVere Chapman(my dad), Corey Trudell, Todd Grabanski, and Milt Smidt (Dirtman),  not pictured is Eilene Soukup, she was taking the pic and also made a lot of great treats for all of us!
it was a great nite, glad you guys liked the fish.  My son had a great time with all of the guys.  and Don it was great to finally BS with you when you were not working!   Thanks to everyone
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Starfire Joe on March 20, 2015, 03:23:51 PM
Milt your shop looks great. I see you hid all your treasures. Looks like all had a good time.

Starfire Joe
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on March 20, 2015, 04:18:30 PM
Todd Grabanski and Dan janisch showed up to offer their expert help!

aka 1 more ting... and W-D    ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: polaris-case on March 20, 2015, 04:41:25 PM
Dr. Mario says get out my way, I got a narly set of tools........... :o

santa clause showed up since it was his off season.............lol


Don   I hope them new tools didn't fail you   8)   See Ya in the morning  Dale
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: WrenchDeere on March 20, 2015, 06:00:30 PM
Good to see you guys are making progress. Many hands make light work and more time for mindless man talk.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: mtstarfires on March 20, 2015, 11:20:50 PM
so milt, did you move all the good stuff to the (OTHER BUILDINGS)?       :-X :-X ken
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on March 21, 2015, 12:29:28 AM
Kevin and Ken.....   don't have a clue what you're talkin about!    ???   i just got a bunch of junk, in fact, i tossed most of it......     ::)    :P

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: 77sonic on March 21, 2015, 01:09:01 AM
Good lookin banner hanging up in the garage there Milt.

You guys ever find a gas tank for it?
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rusted Nuts on March 21, 2015, 01:36:16 AM
Nice work guys! Hat's off to all involved!
Can't wait to see it finished...
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: 64pacer on March 21, 2015, 02:48:27 AM
Wow schmidtbag, I never knew you had a concrete floor in that shop.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Mario on March 21, 2015, 02:52:50 AM
Dr. Mario says get out my way, I got a narly set of tools........... :o

santa clause showed up since it was his off season.............lol


Don   I hope them new tools didn't fail you   8)   See Ya in the morning  Dale

The little fella met its match on one bogie set. I had to run out and get the big guy. I think that was the only bolt on the whole sled that had any rust on it. What a nice sled! :)

It was a great time! Met more really cool people. ;)  Well worth the 10 hour drive. Spending a couple days screwing off with our buddy Dirtbag was just icing on the cake! ;D
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on March 21, 2015, 02:45:56 PM


It was a great time! Met more really cool people. ;)  Well worth the 10 hour drive. Spending a couple days screwing off with our buddy Dirtbag was just icing on the cake! ;D

ya, was great!  just wish it wasn't the 10 - 11 hrs....   then we could spend more time at that Johnson kids place, he's got ALL the COOL STUFF!   :o    8)    ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Starfire Joe on March 21, 2015, 04:58:39 PM
Milt again I agree with Pacer that floor looks great. Now I need to get my shop in order.

Starfire Joe
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on March 21, 2015, 06:08:11 PM
HERE IS SOME OF THE WALLEYE WE ATE ON THURS. NITE
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on March 21, 2015, 06:08:53 PM
Milt again I agree with Pacer that floor looks great. Now I need to get my shop in order.

Starfire Joe

jeez...  thanks for all the compliments on the shop guys!   it was only bout 6 yrs overdue!     :-[   i remember when my first 3 vintage sleds sat right in the middle of the floor......   then it all went to hell!    :o

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on March 21, 2015, 06:11:44 PM
hey Rex, what's the white stuff you're kneeling on called......     :-[

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on March 21, 2015, 06:35:31 PM
WELL ITS STILL LIKE THAT AT LAKE OF THE WOODS.......BY SHORE ANYWAY, OUT ON THE LAKE ITS PRETTY MUCH BARE ICE.......
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: palo on March 22, 2015, 12:17:08 AM
     Thanks for the pictures Rex.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on March 22, 2015, 11:17:06 PM
I almost forgot.  World famous Brody was there also
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on March 23, 2015, 12:55:31 AM
that's my Brodie....     ;D   he was gettin tired.....   it was a big day for him!   

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: mtstarfires on March 23, 2015, 01:33:50 AM
sorry i couldn't make it milt. too busy dropping drive sprockets and watching them break. i forget , am i supposed to do the drop test on the 795?  ken
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on March 23, 2015, 02:16:44 AM
sorry i couldn't make it milt. too busy dropping drive sprockets and watching them break. i forget , am i supposed to do the drop test on the 795?  ken

well.....   you can gently place it in a chassis and test it if ya want!     ;D  i know a guy that sells new drive sprockets........     ::)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on March 23, 2015, 04:14:43 AM
boredom struck this afternoon, so i spent a little time in the shop!   ;D  got the suspension and drivers apart. didn't take too long...  this sled has almost "0" rust anywhere!    :o   sure makes for easy work!     ;)

(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/bigsmidty/charity%20build%20teardown%20001_zpstnwchnzn.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/bigsmidty/media/charity%20build%20teardown%20001_zpstnwchnzn.jpg.html)(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/bigsmidty/charity%20build%20teardown%20002_zpslyhp2aiv.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/bigsmidty/media/charity%20build%20teardown%20002_zpslyhp2aiv.jpg.html)

with cold and snow in the forecast, i will probly have time to stand in front of this......    if any of the "up north crew" wants to stop over, by all means do!    ;D

(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/bigsmidty/charity%20build%20teardown%20003_zpsukihk4ms.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/bigsmidty/media/charity%20build%20teardown%20003_zpsukihk4ms.jpg.html)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Gilson435 on March 23, 2015, 12:52:42 PM
Looks good guys  :) Sorry I didn't make it over Thursday...had my girls that night and we all three had colds :(

Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on March 23, 2015, 02:10:27 PM
YOU COULD HAVE SENT THE GF OVER GILSON,   WE WOULD HAVE ENJOYED HER COMPANY.......... ;D
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Gilson435 on March 23, 2015, 02:37:10 PM
LOL...Maybe if she wasn't busy playin nurse...someones gotta make me take my medicine ;) Nothin like sweatin out a cold :-X
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on March 24, 2015, 03:18:10 PM
received a package yesterday from JLOpower, some spankin new make it pretty parts for the 297 JLO powerhouse!    8)   THANK YOU for the very generous donation!    ;)

(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/bigsmidty/JLO%20parts%20001_zpsllgtifij.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/bigsmidty/media/JLO%20parts%20001_zpsllgtifij.jpg.html)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on March 24, 2015, 11:54:32 PM
and on his recent visit for the tear-down, my buddy left some brand spankin new track belting for the Larson!  THANKS DR. MARIO!     8)

(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/bigsmidty/new%20track%20belting%20001_zpsxokfc4zj.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/bigsmidty/media/new%20track%20belting%20001_zpsxokfc4zj.jpg.html)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on March 25, 2015, 08:26:02 PM
NICE ADDITIONS, REMEMBER IF ANYONE WANTS TO DONATE TO HELP DEFER COST OF THE BUILD, CONTACT DIRTMAN OR MYSELF!   THANKS IN ADVANCE ;D
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: starcar69 on March 29, 2015, 04:34:10 PM
If you need stuff plated. I think professional plating in brillion . would donate it again if necessary. We did some ski - dont  parts a couple of years ago. For the charity ski-dont. Sorry  couldnt resist im a polaris guy. They do not chrome.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: PKBRUT on March 31, 2015, 05:31:58 PM
Is there a want list anywhere for the build?  Could not find anything. May be able to assist in donating parts for the build. Need gaskets for that 297?
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Valdi on April 01, 2015, 01:10:24 AM
GOOD NEWS!
A friend in Little Falls, Minnesota has a private Larson Boat museum.  Thankfully, he has stocks of original Larson decals.  He will supply NOS hood decals for the build.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on April 01, 2015, 01:24:11 PM
WANKEL 303 HAS OFFERED TO REFRESH THE MOTOR.  MILT DO WE NEED ANY OTHER PARTS?   I KNOW JLO POWER SENT A BUNCH OF NOS PARTS FOR THE MOTOR ALSO!   THATS GREAT ON THE DECALS VLADI!   THANK YOU!   
MILT IS THERE ANY OTHER PARTS WE ARE LOOKING FOR??
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on April 01, 2015, 03:07:44 PM
I know one thing we need is a new key and switch?  milt will post a pic of it later.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on April 03, 2015, 01:21:24 PM
thanks Valdi for getting the NOS decals!  Valdi has also been VERY helpful with the connection of the Waconia committee in communicating with Make-A-Wish!  thanks so much for the help!

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on April 03, 2015, 02:01:06 PM
another "hats off" to wrenchdeere (Pat Hickey) for another cash donatoin...  THANKS!   

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on April 04, 2015, 10:37:27 AM
huge SHOUT OUT to John Zeglin and MIDWEST VINTAGE SNOWMOBILE SHOWS, (Waconia committee) for two SUBSTANTIAL cash donations!    ;)  gettin a twinkle in the eye for the shiny stuff now!    8)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on April 07, 2015, 03:04:13 PM
got a super package in the mail yesterday from Tom (zoom) and Duane (derwood) Kirk!   THANKS SO MUCH GUYS!   

(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/bigsmidty/build%20motor%20parts-zoom%20derwood%20001_zpsvxxycgzx.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/bigsmidty/media/build%20motor%20parts-zoom%20derwood%20001_zpsvxxycgzx.jpg.html)

pretty much covers everything needed for wankel303 to do the "freshen" on the 297 JLO!  i'll be Duluth bound one day in the near future!    ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: JLOpower on April 07, 2015, 04:31:21 PM
Quote
I know one thing we need is a new key and switch?  milt will post a pic of it later.

Need a good detailed shot of the back side of the switch if it is an INDAK. Post and I will look.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on April 07, 2015, 04:34:47 PM
thanks for the reminder!   ;)  that had slipped my mind.....   what's left of it!    ::)   

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Valdi on April 08, 2015, 02:41:58 PM
GOOD NEWS!  We now have a formal, signed charity agreement with Make-a-Wish Minnesota.

I will serve as liaison with them, and be responsible for $ transfer after auction.
I will reference this build on the Waconia Ride-In website: http://www.mwvss.com/updates/ (http://www.mwvss.com/updates/)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on April 08, 2015, 03:13:50 PM
Zoom and I were talking about what is needed for the JLO offline the other day.  I think I have everything else that we may need....exhaust gaskets, piston (if needed)....etc.  One question I had, how do the crank bearings feel/sound?  Are they quiet  and smooth or do you think we'll need to replace them?

Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on April 09, 2015, 12:51:34 AM
seems real good to me wankel303, if it as mine, i woulda had a new gas line on and runnin da crap outa it a long time ago!     :o    ;D  but you the MAN! if you think they need replacing....   WE DO IT!  no "holds barred" on this one!    ;)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on April 09, 2015, 02:05:29 AM
thanks Valdi for stepping up to the plate and doin the communication with Make-A-Wish!    ;)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on April 12, 2015, 03:30:38 PM
here are some pics of the ignition switch we are looking for.... help us if you can, PURRRDY PLEASE!    ;D

(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/bigsmidty/Larson%20ignition%20switch%20001_zpskyldoxat.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/bigsmidty/media/Larson%20ignition%20switch%20001_zpskyldoxat.jpg.html)(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/bigsmidty/Larson%20ignition%20switch%20004_zpskuqfpgsw.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/bigsmidty/media/Larson%20ignition%20switch%20004_zpskuqfpgsw.jpg.html)(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/bigsmidty/Larson%20ignition%20switch%20007_zpsfl9h4ttv.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/bigsmidty/media/Larson%20ignition%20switch%20007_zpsfl9h4ttv.jpg.html)(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/bigsmidty/Larson%20ignition%20switch%20009_zpsx7mvwdcg.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/bigsmidty/media/Larson%20ignition%20switch%20009_zpsx7mvwdcg.jpg.html)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: JLOpower on April 13, 2015, 02:33:45 PM
I haven't got one of those here in my collection. I suspect it is not an Indak switch , more than likely an early Briggs and Stratton switch. It looks like it is set up only for MAG ignition. I don't see anything in my current auto parts / lawn and garden catalogs that would be an exact replacement.   
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Mario on April 14, 2015, 01:29:43 AM
So-wass rong witt datt won? ??? Missun duh key, er wutt?


I chust wenn an played'ed peeka boo in the private stash even. :o I ain't got nuttin, :(

You shurr dass da right swicht? ???
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on April 14, 2015, 10:51:39 AM
missun da key!   :(  same type as in da Messelt Larson, missun da key fer dat too.......     :-[

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: JLOpower on April 14, 2015, 01:31:07 PM
Take it to the local locksmithy, they can make some keys.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on April 15, 2015, 01:34:19 PM
Take it to the local locksmithy, they can make some keys.

local?   hahaha.....   it's NW mini-soda!    :o   actually i checked the yeller pages, couple places within 50 miles. will have to check them out if i can't find anything.    :-\

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: palo on April 15, 2015, 02:00:53 PM
 Milt, I think I got switches like that. They are new, but no nut. I'll look.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on April 22, 2015, 01:54:03 PM
received a couple more cash donations, another from Pat- (WrenchDeere), and from Tyler Thoms (cooter) this past week. THANKS GUYS!  stay tuned for some exciting news......     ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on April 23, 2015, 09:38:37 AM
yesterday i loaded the parts and pieces of the Larson and delivered them to the painter!   bright sunny day for an 80 mile drive to Roseau MN, the home of the mother company of the original manufacturer of the 68 Larson. it was actually built at the Beausejoir plant of POLARIS INDUSTRIES!

(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/bigsmidty/68%20Larson-Roseau%20008_zpsg7wvbodj.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/bigsmidty/media/68%20Larson-Roseau%20008_zpsg7wvbodj.jpg.html)

it all started to come together about a month ago when a good friend, Randy Larson gave me a call.  his offer was to supply the paint as his personal contribution, and mentioned that it would be only fitting that POLARIS do any fab work, repairs and painting of the Larson!   HOW COOL IS THAT!    8)    ;D   POLARIS INDUSTRIES is a supporter of MAKE-A WISH foundation, our designated charity of this build.

upon arrival i was greeted by Randy, to look over the project.....

(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/bigsmidty/68%20Larson-Roseau%20002_zpsg3fsyypj.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/bigsmidty/media/68%20Larson-Roseau%20002_zpsg3fsyypj.jpg.html)

of course, this sparked the interest of some of his co-workers of the fab shop!  here's Aaron Johnson aka ajjohns looking over the repairs that he will be making to the damaged chain-case....  the powerhouse 297 JLO musta snapped a chain in it's early lifetime....

(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/bigsmidty/68%20Larson-Roseau%20004_zps1avmdz1k.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/bigsmidty/media/68%20Larson-Roseau%20004_zps1avmdz1k.jpg.html)

next i was introduced to Cory Wympfheimer, who will be the "paint man" on the project. he was amazed at the almost flawless condition of the chassis, and said this shud be a "piece of cake"!

(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/bigsmidty/68%20Larson-Roseau%20003_zpspeu7aqjt.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/bigsmidty/media/68%20Larson-Roseau%20003_zpspeu7aqjt.jpg.html)

next out was Steve Solom, who will be the man in charge of the cleanup, sand blasting, and prep work before it goes into Cory's paint booth.

(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/bigsmidty/68%20Larson-Roseau%20005_zpszhnrpui6.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/bigsmidty/media/68%20Larson-Roseau%20005_zpszhnrpui6.jpg.html)

from left to right, Randy Larson, yours truly, Aaron Johnson, Steve Solom, Cory Wympfheimer.

(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/bigsmidty/68%20Larson-Roseau%20007_zpslpydtv27.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/bigsmidty/media/68%20Larson-Roseau%20007_zpslpydtv27.jpg.html)

a big THANK YOU to Randy and his crew and POLARIS INDUSTRIES!     ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Gilson435 on April 23, 2015, 12:32:57 PM
Now thats cool 8)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: mtstarfires on April 23, 2015, 02:24:56 PM
wow, neat stuff milt. how come that Johnson kid gets in on all cool projects?   ken
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: ajjohns on April 23, 2015, 03:25:12 PM
 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: RowdyRay on April 24, 2015, 02:16:54 AM
That is really cool!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on April 25, 2015, 12:59:02 AM
I would of went with ya....
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on April 25, 2015, 01:33:49 AM
I would of went with ya....

kind of a spur of the moment trip buddy....   wasn't even sure when i was goin until i left!    :(

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on April 25, 2015, 01:51:04 AM
No worries. Looks like fun tho!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: polarisguy7 on April 25, 2015, 03:36:24 AM
Very Cool!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: bull-cat on April 25, 2015, 03:42:28 AM
I would of went with ya....

kind of a spur of the moment trip buddy....   wasn't even sure when i was goin until i left!    :(

dirtman

Rex, It's hard to go pot licking if you got tag alongs.  ;D
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: winter_thunder on April 25, 2015, 03:14:32 PM

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Rex, It's hard to go pot licking if you got tag alongs.  ;D
[/quote]

Bingo!  Then after you get prize loaded in your truck you take pictures and send it to your buddy's to get em all wound up lol!!!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on April 25, 2015, 04:39:49 PM
received a generous cash donation yesterday from Brian Sutton aka gobigblue!  THANK YOU!    8)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: black cat 68 on April 26, 2015, 04:28:27 AM
Has the JLO made it to Wankel yet if that is still the plan?  I may be heading that way to pick up a nice running kawi so i could haul it down to him.  Hopefully in the near future.

Blackcat
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on April 26, 2015, 11:42:44 AM
hey kujo...   it's still gotta get to him, was thinkin on the same wave length!     ;)   maybe it's time for a ROAD TRIP!    :o    ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on April 27, 2015, 06:25:12 PM
I told Black Cat 68 that we could meet at the half-way point to do an exchange.  We'll do a motor swap; his KT150A Kawasaki and the L297 JLO.  I think Cass Lake is pretty close to midway. Whatdya think?
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on April 27, 2015, 11:10:04 PM
hey that'd be cool with me!    8)   then i'd make the journey to visit and pick it up when it's done?  something i wanna check out that way sometime, and of course to to do some bench BSin!    ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: black cat 68 on April 28, 2015, 02:37:19 AM
That would work out pretty good, i think the sooner the better Dirtman.  I think i'll end up working some Saturdays after this weekend unless a Sunday trip works for you guys. :)  Let me know and i'll know later in the week about this Weekend .
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on April 28, 2015, 12:39:56 PM
This weekend is completely shot for me but the following one might work.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on April 28, 2015, 01:12:14 PM
whatever works for ya!  ;)   a Sat. or Sun. better?    ???

dirtman   
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on April 30, 2015, 01:03:17 PM
I am thinking that Saturday, May 9th, would be the better of the two days.  Is there a place in Cass Lake that we can meet?...or maybe Bemidji would be better?
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on May 01, 2015, 12:32:47 AM
received another VERY generous donation yesterday...   THANK YOU Dan Steman aka Stigmen!    8)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: black cat 68 on May 03, 2015, 04:14:54 PM
Yes that would work for me if i don't have to work on Saturday.  Won't know till later in the week though.  Milt would that work for you too or would you be willing to make the trip yourself  if i end up working(i could stop by and drop off a donation for everyone's gas and time) towards the Larson project.  I do have Bob heading back this way June 1 so he would possibly bring back the engine for me and maybe take the JLO back with him if all else fails.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on May 07, 2015, 10:54:36 AM
are we on for Sat.?    ???

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: black cat 68 on May 07, 2015, 01:45:03 PM
Not sure, but not looking good as they already approved O/T for me so at this point i would say no.  Stopped in last night but you were a no show :).  Another weekend or ?
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on May 07, 2015, 05:49:12 PM
I am game for this weekend.  I am thinking that Perkins in Bemidji is a pretty good place on the main drag to meet.  It's about 2.5 or so hours from Duluth for me.  I am planning on leaving around 8 am which would get me there around 10:30-10:45 am.  We can have a cup of coffee,  BS about sleds, have a few laughs,... make the engine exchange then head out.   Thoughts?

Cheers,
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on May 07, 2015, 11:32:25 PM
sounds like a plan Mike!   see ya there!  i'll be drivin a gold Tahoe....    you?

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on May 08, 2015, 12:43:03 PM
A red Dodge Dakota, the old sled hauler workhorse.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: black cat 68 on May 08, 2015, 02:28:04 PM
Dirtman i'll let you know later in the day if i can make it or not.  Still waiting on parts to finish the bus so not looking good at the moment.  You going to be home tonight?
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on May 08, 2015, 02:46:23 PM
Dirtman i'll let you know later in the day if i can make it or not.  Still waiting on parts to finish the bus so not looking good at the moment.  You going to be home tonight?

i'll send ya a txt!   ;)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on May 11, 2015, 01:26:59 PM
made the connection with Mike, aka wankel303 on Sat.  had a great BS session!   ;D  what a great guy, and i am now assured that the 297 JLO is in GOOD HANDS!    ;)  THANKS AGAIN Mike!

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on May 11, 2015, 02:27:38 PM
Yes indeed,...it made for a fun Saturday!  Its already up on the bench at home and I will posting pictures of the tear-down, cleanup and re-assembly.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on May 11, 2015, 03:09:55 PM
cool! speaking of pics.., my camera was laying on my dash!     :-[   i bet the guy we blocked in woulda taken a pic of us?   lol

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: JLOpower on May 23, 2015, 05:54:46 PM
Hey guys,

Has the tear down revealed any other parts needs?
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on May 29, 2015, 10:58:23 AM
got another check from wrenchdeere, thanks so much Pat!    8)  also blackcat 68 (allan Kujawa) handed over a wad of cash when he picked up the kawalski that wankel 303 got goin for him! THANKS!    8)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on May 29, 2015, 11:26:56 AM
went to my local NAPA and went through the parts books...   and looky what i came up with!    ;D

(http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/ii513/bigsmidty/switch%20n%20s%20mtneere%20005_zpsbyzfnnyi.jpg) (http://s1257.photobucket.com/user/bigsmidty/media/switch%20n%20s%20mtneere%20005_zpsbyzfnnyi.jpg.html)

brand new ignition switch....    WITH KEYS!     8)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on May 29, 2015, 11:48:08 AM
Hey guys,

Has the tear down revealed any other parts needs?

as far as i know...  we shud be pretty well covered?    ???  i'll get new bearings at my NAPA store when the rebuild happens, otherwise, i can't think of anything.

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on July 01, 2015, 03:34:13 AM
I just did the engine teardown tonight.  Boy she's a greasy old bird!!   It took me about an hour to completely dismantle it.  The greasy ones always come apart pretty nicely.   It's a pretty nice engine with minimal service done over the years.  Bottom end bearings are pristine so I'm not going to replace them.  I appears as though it's had a head gasket replacement at some point as well as a PTO crank seal.  It was well oiled but some rust had set in already on the top end.  I'm going to try to hone it out.  If the pits are too deep, I'll go to parts shed and check a few of my spares.  If they don't pan out, we'll have to go oversized and bore it out.  If I can't get the pits out, it'll just rust up again so,....stay tuned. 

Now I start cleaning.  :-).   Pics to come tomorrow.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on July 01, 2015, 01:51:39 PM
DIRTMAN,  MY SHOW IS SEPT 12TH,  HOW IS THE CHROME SITUATION COMING.   IT WOULD BE AWESOME TO HAVE IT DONE BY THEN?????  HINT HINT
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on July 01, 2015, 01:55:22 PM
So here are some photos of the teardown from last night.  I have to admit, it was a bit nostalgic for me dismantling this engine.   When I was 15, the first snowmobile I ever bought had this same engine ( but it wasn't correct for the chassis).  I ran it anyway and put countless hours back in the woods exploring unmarked trails, getting stuck, cruising the trails at a maximum of 40mph ( on the really long, straight and smooth stretches).   I ran that old JLO until it just didn't have the compression to get me around anymore.  Well, anyone who wrenches on JLOs is aware of the "quirks of disassembly" ; how much you have to take apart to get at this and that, hard to remove things etc.  These all came flooding back and I  had to get out the special JLO tools I made for these occasions all those years ago.  But I digress, here is the disassembly:

As with just about any engine, the recoil was the first item to come off.  I was pleasantly surprised to find the old foam dust seal was still stuck on the recoil hub.  When engines are wrenched on frequently, these are usually the first things to go which makes me think this thing hasn't had too many visits the small engine shop.  Unfortunately, it wasn't salvageable and disintegrated as soon as I touched it, literally.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/88c6bf28-7996-49e4-aaee-81ef44dea6da_zps6cusbswq.jpg)

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The starter cup was removed next and again, I was pleasantly surprised to find all of the proper shims still in place, untouched.  Often, these are forgotten upon reassembly.

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The next step is to remove the fan shroud and here is the first of the "quirks" I mentioned.  There are a series of bolts that secure the fan housing to crank case half and in order to remove one of them, the carburetor has to come off.  Anyone who has wrenched on any JLO equipped a Tillotson HD, is aware of how difficult it is to remove the mag side carburetor bolt.  These are a thin 17mm nut.  So many of these are chewed up along the edges from the tips of screw drivers "chiseling" on them in order to tighten them up.  Well, here is the solution to that issue.  The very first tool I made for the JLO.  It's nothing fancy, but it works wonderfully.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/e2fa68b6-04cd-4622-a8cd-30774a6e1027_zpsjfuk5ijd.jpg)

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With the carburetor off, you can now remove the fan housing cover as well as the cylinder head shroud.  The 297 is the only JLO single that used a one-peice cylinder head shroud and to remove it, you need to remove the exhaust manifold, carburetor and intake.  You can see the bolt I was referring to earlier, the one that you needed to remove the carburetor in order to get access to, on the right side of the photo below.  The engine has the insulating intake adapter which is a good thing.  JLO singles can get pretty warm when run hard and I have had a few in the past vapor lock on me due to the intake adapter being aluminum rather than an insulating material like this one. 

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/0c0de325-a3f1-46c8-8f6b-1bcaf15ef86b_zpsevlzrufd.jpg)

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/1fb18272-9ec5-4e6e-889e-b06502de3f86_zpszm2kszb8.jpg)

All clean inside and only very minimal signs of our favorite furry friends ever being in there.

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One bolt was missing on the shroud which is the first sign I have had that someone might have been into this motor before.

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The flywheel nut is 28mm and after removing it, I set up to remove the flywheel.  There is a right way and a wrong way to pull a JLO flywheel.  The wrong was would be to throw a harmonic balancer puller on the three starter cup bolts and pull.  The result is a broken flywheel everytime or damaged ignition components from threading in the bolts too far.  This is the right way:

Remove the flywheel nut:

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Grease up the puller, both threads and tip:

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Install the puller and remove the flywheel:

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The flywheel is nice and clean inside:

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Like the flywheel, the stator assembly is nice and clean and appears to be all original.  I will investigate the wire splice and verify originality when I get into the stator to freshen it up later on.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/9ed1bdf7-6edd-42d4-9395-c31e0c2c7501_zpsqzjhthx1.jpg)

Once the stator is out, we're in all the way on the magneto side.  The magneto side crank seal looked good and felt nice and soft but since we're in this far already, it will be replaced.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/8390bbf1-efb5-4f13-be32-9bea1c09781d_zpsyqicrswf.jpg)

The next step is to remove top end and it's time to remove the head and see what lies within.  Only 5 nuts secure the head in place and when properly seated, they require a gentle rap on the side to pop 'em loose.  The properly installed head, as this one was, has a spacer and locking washer between the head and nut.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/c9964946-f3e3-4b86-856f-fc273d9efbbc_zps7wcrjayr.jpg)

Well now we know that this old engine has been to the shop at least once.  Originally this head gasket would have been copper but this one is a composite style.  I can see some lettering on the underside of the head as well with a clear letter "W" implying a "Winderosa" brand head gasket.  It appears as though some one has scraped some of the buildup from the piston crown as well.

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Now I can remove the cylinder and have a peek but this is another one of those "quirks".  The cylinder is held on by 4, 17mm nuts on each corner.  The stud they use is too tall to fit a conventional open end wrench between the end and the cooling fins so again, use the same homemade wrench as was used on the carburetor to loosen them up.  Access to the magneto side bolts is gained through the opening in the magneto side fan housing.  Hopefully, now it becomes apparent why I disassembled it in this particular sequence.  I was a little negligent in my photo taking during this particular step but hopefully, can get the idea from the picture below:

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The cylinder showed some signs of moisture and rust had set in.  I am going to attempt to hone this out but we'll see how it turns out.  I am cautiously optimistic and we'll deal with it if it ends up needing a fresh bore.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20150630_2021431_zpsaanzllk4.jpg)

I removed the piston next and in most cases, a piston puller would be used here.  After removing the circlips, you'd install the puller and draw it out of the PTO side of the piston.  Sometimes, if you're feeling strong, you can push it out with your fingers and when you can no longer reach it, installing a socket that is slightly smaller than the pin can allow you push it the rest of the way out.  That's what I did here.  I could move it with my fingers so I figure I could remove it entirely without the puller.  JLOs use spacers on each side of the wrist pin needle bearing so you need to be aware that they'll drop once the pin is out. You just have to have your other hand there ready to catch them when they fall.  Also note that there is a recess on one side of the spacer.  The recess is meant to fit against the needle cage bearing.  If you have them flipped around, they won't fit back in the piston. 

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This piston is pretty gummed up.  Seems the mixture was pretty rich but the piston looked great except for a little discoloration from ring blow-by.  Very little if any scoring.  I am hoping it's re-useable but I won't know until I clean it up.   If not, we may need a piston for the old bird.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20150630_204934_zpse6k9wrou.jpg)

There isn't much left to it from here.  From the magneto side now, the next step is to remove the socket head capscrews that hold the two halves together.  These require a 6mm allen wrench.  After removing these, I re-installed the flywheel nut on the magneto side of the crank until it was flush with the end.  A couple of raps on the end with the rubber mallet and you'll see a gap open up between the cases.  Once the gap forms, I used a plastic wedge to gently wiggle the PTO side free from the crank.  Once the PTO side was free, a few more raps on the crank end, and the crank pops free from the MAG side case.  If these were stubborn, applying heat with a heat gun to the case halves with a heat gun directly onto the exterior of the crank bearing seats, expands the aluminum cases enough to let the bearing slide loose.  When I go to re-assemble this engine, I will probably heat both case sides like this and also leave the crank in the freezer over night to contract the bearings a little more yet.  This just ensures an easier assembly since once the crank is trued, I don't want to be rapping on it at all during assembly.

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Since I did rap the end of the crank, something I try to do very, very sparingly, I will check the runout on it before I re-assemble.  JLO engines are built quite beefy as you can see.  Big bearings, big counter weights, big pins, big bolts,,...just heavy duty stuff.  It's no wonder they're considered workhorses rather than speed demons.  So considering the strength of the rap, and the mallet material, I doubt I have induced any issues to the crank alignment but it's always better to be safe than sorry.

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So we're completely dismantled at this point.  My next steps are to clean everything up.  Stay tuned for further updates.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on July 07, 2015, 10:02:42 PM
lookin good so far!  glad to hear the crank bearings roll nice.   let me know how the cylinder looks...    ???   we're on the 6 month countdown till Waconia now!     ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on July 08, 2015, 12:47:27 PM
How is the rest of the chassis coming along?  Is it back from Polaris now?
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on July 12, 2015, 02:23:37 PM
talked with Aaron (ajjohns)  for a few minutes the other day, he's almost done with the fab repairs on the chassis, said all the parts are blasted and ready for paint. the skis are done and look GREAT!    8)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on July 15, 2015, 01:41:22 PM
I finished up some cleaning last night.

The cases cleaned up very well, inside and out.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20150715_071605_zpsp3oxdkg8.jpg)

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20150715_071555_zps2bg2cudm.jpg)

The piston cleaned up nice as well.  I am somewhat of an "old-school" snowmobile guy.  I was taught that a piston should "sing" if it was any good.  By "sing" I mean when you drag your fingernail down the side, the aluminum will ring as your fingernail zips over all of the micro grooves machined into it.  This piston still sings nice even across the rusty-stained area below the exhaust port.  I see no reason it can't be re-used,...with a new set of rings installed of course.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20150715_071637_zpsh2vsbsgk.jpg)

The cylinder work is done as well.  After a good cleaning, I removed the head studs to make honing a bit easier.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20150715_071708_zpsdo1htijg.jpg)

The bore cleaned up very nicely. Considering what we started with ( see picture in previous post) and I am very happy with the results.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20150715_071830_zpsip3zgix0.jpg)

There is one tiny scratch, about 3/4" long near one of the transfer ports that didn't come out.  You can see it in the picture below.  It's pretty thin and shallow and I honestly doubt it'll affect the performance of the engine even in the slightest bit considering it's location.  If it was a chrome bore, I would certainly be concerned but this old cast iron lump, not so much.  It looks to me as though something came through the transfer port.  There isn't any corresponding damage on the piston or the rings.  At this point, I am planning on leaving it in there but if you guys think it should go, just let me know and we'll go the overbore route.  I have run JLOs with cylinders in far, far worse shape than this one.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20150715_071858_zps3kjpv8v3.jpg)

Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on July 15, 2015, 05:49:42 PM
LOOKS GOOD WANKEL303,  I SAY USE IT AS IS. 
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on July 16, 2015, 03:54:51 PM
10:4 over and out.  I'll use it as is.  I dropped the crankshaft into the deep freezer last night so we'll be putting the crankcase halves together tonight.  Stay tuned for more photos.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on July 17, 2015, 12:05:26 AM
sounds GREAT Mike,   8)  i think there was something i was supposed to check and see if i had for you.....   know what it was?    :-\

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on July 17, 2015, 03:22:01 AM
I think it was a carburetor kit for the Tillotson Hd....it has the small, side mounted fuel pump.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on July 17, 2015, 02:18:09 PM
The pace it picking up now on the re-assembly.  I spend a few more minutes last night cleaning up the cases, ensuring that the bearing seats were free of dirt and/or debris.  I ran a q-tip with some solvent on the tip around the seats just to be sure there wasn't anything in there that would hold the bearings proud from their seats. 

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20150716_182838_zpshqle7zm3.jpg)

After that, I fired up the heat gun and applied some heat to the PTO side crank case half.  I usually just  heat these enough so the entire case half is just a bit too hot to touch with your bare hand and I apply the heat as evenly as possible both inside and outside of the bearing seat.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20150716_183250_zpsntjgg4aq.jpg)

Once it's up to temp and I have a leather glove on my left hand, I dig the crankshaft out from the freezer and slip it into the PTO side case half.  It slips right in without the slightest bit of struggle.  From  here, I let t he PTO side assembly acclimate back to room temperature.  I went and made dinner and by the time my pizza and beer were gone, it was back to room temp.  The whole unit went back into the freezer then for a few hours.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20150716_183947_zpskkvmikzu.jpg)

After an hour or so, I began prepping the MAG side crank case half.   There is a gasket on these JLOs between the halves and it can be a bugger to install straight when you're working with hot parts.  I applied a little Aviation Form-A-Gasket to the MAG side case to serve a gasket tack and hold it in place. After it was in place, I applied a skim coat to the other side of the gasket as well.  This will help hold it in place when I slide the two halves togther.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20150716_190332_zpspiztekwj.jpg)

Just like the other side, fired up the heat gun and began the pre-heat treatment for the MAG side crank case.  Same process....even heat, inside and out.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20150716_190419_zpsdykglis1.jpg)

Once it was hot, the PTO side assembly was retrieved from the freezer and the two halves slid together.  The case gasket has a portion the bridges across the crank.  This gets trimmed off nice and flush with the cases.  Once together, I installed the 6mm socket  head cap screws just snug.  I will torque these once the cases acclimate again.

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From here, I can install the piston.  JLOs have spacers on either side of the wrist pin bearing.  These can be a bugger sometimes to line up and you need to be aware that they only go one way.  To make it easier, use a socket or another wrist pin, to help with the alignment.  Once it's all aligned, slide the new wrist pin through.  After cleaning the cosmolene off, a new wrist pin bearing, spacers, and a new wrist pin was used here.  It's nice and snug!  The last step was to install the wrist pin cir-clips.  Always install these at either the 12 o'clock position or the 6 o'clock position....oh...and one more thing, at this point, also make sure that the arrow at the top of the piston is pointing to the exhaust.  These engines don't run well with the piston on backwards. ;-)

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I was moving along pretty quickly at this point when I realized that I should have checked the piston ring gap before I installed the piston.  Getting the rings square in the cylinder can sometimes be tricky and it's critical to get the measurement right.  Pushing the rings down the bore with the piston is an easy way to get them squared up.  Unfortunately, I had already installed the piston,..fortunately, I had a spare 297 Wiseco Std. around that was missing it's rings.  I measured ring gap of the old rings first and found 0.042" on the top of the bore and 0.045" at the bottom of the stroke.  Seems pretty large to me but these were used rings too.  The new rings were measured next and I got 0.021" at the top of the stroke and 0.024" at the bottom of the stroke.  This is inline with the rule of thumb for 0.004"-0.007" per inch of bore ( which is 2.953" for the 297....i.e.....0.021"/2.953 = 0.0071").  To be safe, I dug through all of my old JLO manuals and couldn't find a ring gap spec anywhere so if anyone knows for certain what the ring gap spec is for these engines, I would appreciate the information.  I think we'll be safe with where we're at but I would prefer to sleep well at night knowing we did this thing right.

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Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: KKWILL on July 17, 2015, 06:05:18 PM
Coming along nicely.  8) 


I think that "end gap" is about perfect.  ;)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on July 27, 2015, 01:42:33 PM
After checking then double checking that the circlips were fully seated, I prepped the base and base gasket for installation.  Again, I used the Aviation Form-A-Gasket as a gasket tack and for a little extra seal insurance.  Once the gasket was in, I gave the top surface a light coat as well.

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I prepped the cylinder for installation by lightly coated the skirt area with oil.   

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Setting that aside, I installed what I use as a ring compressor but it's really just a large worm gear hose clamp.  I prefer to use these because you don't need to mind the clamp with one hand like you would with a traditional spring clamp ring compressor.  It takes a technique to really be able to use them well but once you get it, they're the easiest way to install rings IMHO.  The key is to tighten them just enough to get the rings into the cylinder.  Leaving a space above the lands, when you can, helps a lot as well.  The most important part when using any ring compressor is to ensure that the pins in the piston are not beneath the rings.  If they are, you'll break a ring the moment you try to compress them. 

The hose clamps are especially handy with big heavy cast iron cylinders or big one lunger cylinders where you need two hands to support the cylinder.  In the cases of big heavy cylinders, I would place some plastic spacers ( old pieces of slides) beneath the piston but this JLO wasn't very heavy so I skipped that step.

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With that, the cylinder slid nicely and smoothly into place.  So far, this motor is beautifully tight.

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Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on August 26, 2015, 04:50:58 PM
I had to go back to the washtub for a bit and clean up the next parts needed for the assembly.  The cylinder head, and head shroud were next on my list as well as the flywheel.  Of the three parts, the flywheel took the most to get cleaned up.  All three turned out quite nice.

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With the parts cleaned up, I could continue with the re-assembly.  After re-torquing the case screws, up 7 ft-lbs in 30% increments, I packed the lip of both crank seals with grease and installed them.  I try to keep the outter diameter of the crank seal as clean and dry as possible.  The seals do hold back a few lbs of compression force when the piston travels down in the cylinder and having a seal pop out due to greasy fingers during the install is one of those things that can easily have been prevented.

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A new, NOS head gasket was installed followed by the head. 

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As with all heads, a cris-crossing pattern was used to ensure equal torque across the board.  JLOs have a spacer- lock washer- nut sequence for head installation.  Each bolts get this combination.  The nuts are 13mm and are the torque spec for these is 28-32 ft-lbs.  Seems hefty but this is one of the features of these old JLOs that makes them a tank of a motor.   The spacer is actually important here as it distributes the force at each bolt evenly.  I have a few heads from other JLOs with cracks running through the bolt holes and I suspect that it's the force concentration created by the lock-washer used without the spacer that causes the cracks.  I apply the torque in steps about 30% increments so I don't warp the head during the installation, in this case, it's 10 ft-lb increments.  As a comparison, the Kawasaki KT and T4 single cylinder motors use the same size studs, but are only "torqued" to 16 ft-lbs and there are only 4 of them versus the 5 on the JLO.  Same for the 190 series Hirth engines ( except the 194R).  The Hirths only have 4 bolt heads and received 18 ft-lbs.

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Now that the seals are in, it was time to rebuild the stator assembly.  I always do the works; plug wire, points and condenser.  While I'm in there, if there are any wiring quality issues, it's best to hit them now.  In the case of this stator assembly, the lighting leads were kinda short, had a few bare spots, and the primary lead had a crimped connector on it.  The crimped connector was cut off then the new wire soldered and shrink wrapped to ensure a solid and short-proof connection from here on.  The same treatment was given to the lighting leads.  Once these were patched up, the condenser was de-soldered, removed, replaced then re-soldered in place.  The points were removed and a a new set installed.

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The plug wire is standard copper core wire and it simply screws onto the threaded stud recessed on the primary ignition coil.  I used the old wire to gauge the proper length and then gave myself 2 additional inches to work with.   Where the wires ran from the contact points and coils through the stator plate, a small section of shrink wrap was pretty rotten.  To prevent these wires from chaffing, I re-installed a new section of wrap.

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The completed rebuild of the stator assembly was ready for installation.  I installed a new grommet through the case for the plug wire.  The other grommets were equally rotten and I visited the hardware store for the new, proper sized ones.  These can be installed later but it's best to do it before installing the stator assembly and flywheel so you can ensure the grommet it fully engaged with the case.

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Stay tuned,....next up: timing the JLO!


Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: sled_hed on August 26, 2015, 04:56:48 PM
As usual awesome work and explanation wankel.!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Gilson435 on August 26, 2015, 05:45:40 PM
No question Wankel was the right man for the job! 8) Nice work :)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on August 26, 2015, 06:11:46 PM
No question Wankel was the right man for the job! 8) Nice work :)

Well yaaaa!   ;D. Only the best on this project!   ;)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: black cat 68 on September 02, 2015, 11:33:34 PM
Very nice pictorial and explanation of the tear down and rebuild.  Now i see what i've been doing wrong, your supposed to have a clean area to work in.  :)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on September 03, 2015, 03:26:58 AM
Um I've known dirtman for 5 years and that's the first time I seen his shop clean....lol
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on September 03, 2015, 10:34:18 AM
Um I've known dirtman for 5 years and that's the first time I seen his shop clean....lol

Thinkn Kujo is talkn bout wankel, not me,,,,,,,   just cuz DeVere keeps yours clean!    ::)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on September 03, 2015, 06:18:27 PM
I have two, very, very messy workbenches.  I just took the photos someplace where the countertops were cluttered.  Kitchen countertops, dining room table, basement freezer....well, pretty much anywhere except on the workbench.



Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on September 09, 2015, 03:26:42 PM
Got a cash donation from mtstarfires when we were at Princeton, THANKS Kenny!  8)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on September 15, 2015, 03:13:45 PM
I set up to time this engine  using my usual, favorite timing tools.  JLOs are a bit on the tedious side to get timed just right but they're not hard, in fact, it's darn near impossible to goof 'em up.  Unlike some other engines that have a tight tolerance for timing, the JLO certainly does not.  It's a Bosch System, not uncommon among the old German built engines.  Timing specifications are listed in the OEM Service Manual as follows:

Contact point gap: 0.014" to 0.118".
Timing: .118" to .138" BTDC w/advance cam pinned in fully advance position.  You will have to pin the timing advance cam in the fully advanced position and there is hole in the flywheel specifically meant for this.

Both of the above specs give you a wide working margin in fact, I have often wondered if the Service Manual wasn't a typo regarding the 0.118" point gap as this seems huge and I have never, ever needed a point gap that large to time an engine whether I am using aftermarket points or OEM Bosch points.  Typically, you'd see 0.014" to 0.018" in a Hirth or Sachs service manual. 

Setting the points is probably the second most tedious step in this process. JLO didn't give much room to do this through the windows in the flywheel compared to other manufacturers. Again, as I said, it's a Bosch system but Bosch only makes the internals of the flywheel; JLO makes the cast aluminum part of the flywheel and governs how much space is needed to access the points.  With the flywheel installed, there are two windows to adjust the points; one to make adjustments and the other to measure. 

Here is the window to make the adjustments:

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And here is the window to measure:

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It's easiest to set the points somewhere in the middle of the adjustment range on the points and work from there.  From here, it's a process of rocking the flywheel between the two windows making small adjustments then measuring....adjust again...then measure...etc....repeat until you measure a point gap with the specified range.  In this instance, I set the points at 0.018"which is where I usually set the Bosch systems.  It's on the high side of the range ( at least in my opinion and per other engine service manuals besides the JLO one) and I do this because the cam follower will wear over time causing the point gap to become smaller.  I'd much rather the points wear into the specification range than out of the specification range.

Once the point gap is set, it's time to set the timing.  I use a Motion Pro dial indicator for almost all of my engines but there are other dials out there that work equally as well.  This has a 5mm linear range.  The threads on it are  14mm so they fit most engines but the plug on most of these big singles is an 18mm so I need to use my adapter.  I also needed to use one extension to reach down into the combustion chamber.

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I use a Gardner Bender GMT -319 mult-imeter as my buzz box.  This is an variable tone, audible, continuity tester which, in my opinion, is critical to engine timing.  You can get these at Menards quite reasonable.

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Add in a couple of jumper wires, one connected to the black lead from the engine magneto and the other connected othe case, and we're almost set-up .

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Roll the engine to TDC and set your timing gauge to the maximum, 5mm.  So at TDC, the gauge is reading 5mm.  Now we have a little conversion to do since the timing specs were SAE units and the gauge is metric.  My timing BTDC measurement range is .118" to .138".  The middle of this range is .128" and that is going to be my target.  This converts to 3.25 mm BTDC.  Again, I much prefer to be within the specification range than on the edge of it.  As I mentioned, the cam follower will wear with time decreasing the point gap and with a smaller point gap, you'll also see a small change in timing towards the retarded side.  So by being within the range of timing, the engine won't wear to a condition where it's out of time. 

The adjustment for timing is made by rotating the entire stator assembly.  This requires loosening the three screws that secure it to the engine cases.  As with the points, I usually begin at the middle of the available adjustment range.  Install the flywheel ( just set it in place without tightening the nut so you can remove it by hand without using a puller) and rotate the engine counterclockwise until you hear a tone change in the multi-meter...then,..keep going alittle further.  Then rotate the engine clockwise and watch the timing gauge closely while listening to the buzzer.   By rotating it clockwise, you take up the tolerance in the bearings and duplicate the same condition it would see when it was running.  The benefit of the buzzer is that you don't  have to watch two things at the same time ( if you were using a timing light instead of a buzzer).  From here, it's a series of adjustments to get it timed just right.  I probably had the flywheel on and off three or four times to get it timed.  I turned the continuity tester off between adjustments because, well, it'll drive you crazy.  Kinda like a mosquito in your ear.

My target was 3.25 mm BTDC so the gauge should read 1.75mm when the tone changes ( 5 mm - 3.25 mm = 1.75 mm).  I ended up at about 1.72-1.73 mm BTDC which  translates to about .129" BTDC.  In the video below, note that the tone changes at 1.75 mm on the counter clockwise stroke but 1.72 on the clockwise stroke.  This is due to that tolerance in the bearings that I mentioned.

http://vid669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20150914_204016_zpshfimpyqr.mp4 (http://vid669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20150914_204016_zpshfimpyqr.mp4)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: mtstarfires on September 15, 2015, 03:35:12 PM
so milt, how about some pics of the pretty blue parts i saw at your place. ;) ;) ;)   ken
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on September 29, 2015, 01:02:28 PM
This engine has taken the title of the "greasiest engine ever"   I've seen a lot of greasy old engines in my day but this one has taken the cake.  It makes 'em easy to work on since everything underneath the grease is like brand new but man-o-man, have I spent some hours scrubbing!   
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on September 30, 2015, 11:33:21 AM
Minni-soda cosmolin...........

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on October 08, 2015, 02:40:43 PM
With the timing set, I double checked the torque on the case screws, cylinder base nuts and re-applied the torque to the head.  Once everything was checked off, I installed the flyhweel nut hand tight.  Just as a precaution, I always check for spark before I torque the flywheel nut in place. It's tough to do with the fan shrouding on and just spinning the flywheel by hand should be fast enough to generate a nice, bright, blue spark.  I clicked off the workbench light and gave it the "wheel of fortune" spin and I was quite pleased with the quality of the spark.  Test complete, I tightened the flywheel nut to spec.

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Once the flywheel is on, the fan shroud followed by the starter cup get installed. 

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I thought I had taken more photos of the next steps but I couldn't find the photos on my camera when I went to upload them.  After the starter cup installation, I spent some time cleaning up the cylinder head shroud, phenolic intake adapter and I scrounged up the gaskets for the intake and exhaust.  There are two gaskets each for the intake and exhaust; they basically sandwich the cylinder head shroud.  The exhaust gasket needs to go on before the head shrouding but the intake gaskets can be installed afterwards.  I find it easiest to align one hole on the intake gaskets ( lining up the screw within the phenolic adapter holes with the gasket-shroud-gasket-cylinder.) then starting the screw enough to hold it all  in place.  To get the second screw aligned, use your fingers through the adapter/intake to get it all lined up.  I'll take more photos tonight to update this process.

The engine is fully assembled now and the next, last steps are a rebuild of the recoil assembly and Tillotson carburetor.  Stay tuned.

Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on October 10, 2015, 12:10:25 AM
Can't wait to hear it PURRRRRRR!

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on October 12, 2015, 09:30:13 PM
One of the last parts to rebuild on this motor is the recoil.  These are always a bunch of fun but fortunately, there have been ample parts donations for this portion of the project.  There was little that I needed to re-use and the critical stuff was all new.  The JLO recoil, for me at least, has been one of the lesser troublesome recoil designs in my fleet of machines.  I think I have had the most issues with the Hirth style of recoil design.  The first step in the disassembly is the removal of the cover plate.  Just four small machine screws and it comes off.

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In the photo above I actually flipped the cover plate over after I removed so you can see the tracks made by the friction cups.  The JLO recoil uses a unique spring-clip design to activate the pawls but it relies on friction first and foremost.  There are two springs and four cups of two sizes that ride on two plates, a top and bottom.

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If you ever remove a cover plate and only see one spring-cup assembly, look at the underside of the cover plate.  They often stick in their wear grooves and come off with the plate. Both plates should be clean and grease free.  The pawls just rest in place on two large pivot pins.  Again with the overbuilding, the pawls are big brutes and pretty heavy duty.  The single tooth on the very end is the only area that I have ever really seen wear.  These two pawls were in good shape so they were reused.   Pawl retraction is acheived by two small wire springs, one for each pawl,  with creatively formed/bent ends to prevent them from coming loose. 

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The four small machine screws are the only fasteners used in this recoil and once the pawls are out, the bottom plate lifts straight up and away.  Again, I will scrub this up very well before re-installing it. 

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The pulley is exposed now and the first temption at this point is to just lift it out of there.  DO NOT REMOVE IT.   There is about 1 1/4 turn of pre-load applied to the ribbon spring beneath it and it's a strong spring.  Lifting the pulley out at this point is a sure fire way to make it go "fffwoooing" into a ball of twisted ribbon like spring steel.  The recoil has had rope installed in place of the steel cable and this will not hold up.  These recoils need that steel wire.  I had no intention of saving the  rope so I puilled the cable end out from the back side of the handle and cut it off.  Just make sure you hold onto the rope (or keep the pulley from turning) when you cut it because it'll want to be drawn into the recoil.  The cable end is a round wedge style of cable end is identical to those used by Hirth.

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There is a rubber bumper and a plastic stop that is threaded into the recoil.  The rubber stop is supposed to be attached the recoil handle and the plastic stop will need to be removed.  You can leave it attached, but it makes it difficul to thread the new cable when you're re-assembling it because the hole in the middle isn't much larger than the cable diameter.

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Now you can slowly release the pre-load on the spring and let the rope wind up on the pulley.  When the tension is removed, carefully lift the untensioned puller from the housing just about 1/4 or so.  There is a small hole, maybe 3/8" diameter, where the end of the ribbon spring is recessed within from below that is accessible from the exposed side of the pulley. Use a small screw driver to push the rolled end of the spring from the bottom side of the pulley.  In the picture below, you can see this hole to the left of the center hub.

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If you've lifted the pulley too far, the ribbon spring will come out with that "fffwooing" sound that has to be one of the most sickening sounds a vintage sled guy ever has to hear.  I was lucky with this one and it stayed put but then I realized that I had new spring and and a new housing.  It would have been easier to leave the old spring in there and re-use the housing.  The new spring came nice and neatly packaged with a wire retainer keeping it wound nice and small.  I was very careful to set in place, secure the loop on one end of the spring with the pin on the housing.  Holding it tight I carefully slipped the wire off and voila!!....it was in.  Piece of cake until I turned my back and it heard that sound.  It took me four attempts to re-wind it small enough it by hand and get it back in there.

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I set it asside with the slow and careful motions of someone handling an armed 10 megaton nuclear warhead then focused on the rewind pulley and cable. 

I added a generous dollup of low temp grease to the hub before I wound the wire rope onto the pulley. 

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Your cable must be fed onto the pulley from the topside.  There is a lip on the end of the round end of the wire rope that will rub/bind on the housing if you install it from below.

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I wrapped the wire rope around the pulley as tightly as I could by hand and when I reached the end, I used a peice of duct tape, 2 inches long or so, just barely wrapped around the backside of the pulley and an inch or so before the bare end of the wire to hold the wire rope below the OD of the pulley.  I used a second, smaller peice applied in the same fashion to push that last 1" down within the groove of the pulley.  You need to do this so you can apply the pre-load to the ribbon spring.  The duct tape needs to be removable so don't secure it too well to the backside of the pulley. 

Once the tape is on, carefully retrieve the housing and spring.  You may have to bend the inner end of the spring slightly to get it to aling with the recess in the bottom of the pulley but once it drops int there, you're set to go.  I used a small allen wrench through that same 3/8" to align the end of the spring with the recess.  Now that the spring is engaged in the pulley and it's dropped fully into the housing,  turn the pulley counterclockwise about 1 1/4 turns.  Once the end of the wire rope and the duct tape aligns witht the passage through the housing, remove the peice of tape from the end.  The remaining 1" or so will stand up above edge of the pulley.  You can now continue to rotate the pulley counterclockwise to feed the wire rope through and since there is a second peice of tape holding it, the wire rope won't back up on you and bind between the housing and the pulley.   Once the wire rope is through, remove the last peice of duct tape.  Unfortunately, you need both hands for this so I couldn't take photos.  Once the rope was through, I used a screw driver through another hole in the pulley to keep it from losing tension.

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As long as that screwdriver doesn't let loose, it's a cake walk from here.  You can feed the wire through installing the plastic stop, the rubber bumper and the handle. 

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20151009_205656_zpszcpman1i.jpg)

Fold the wire over on itself as tightly as you can then install the wedge -style cable end int the recoil handle.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20151009_205724_zpsix60fknu.jpg)

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20151009_210416_zpssvg6nsxu.jpg)

From here you can re-install the bottom plate, the pawls, friction cups & springs, and finally the cover/top plate and it's all done.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20151009_192515_zpsxops6ic8.jpg)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: exracer on October 12, 2015, 11:32:09 PM
Wankel 303 definetly know his JLO's... I'm building the same engine, and have had to get his input on timing, and a few parts. I can't say enough good
things about him. Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on November 02, 2015, 11:54:35 AM
Well boys n girls... gettn to be time to put the Larson back together! Lookin at a couple of dates, Nov. 21St, and Dec 5th. I'm sure there might hafta be something early Jan. also but shud go pretty good!  My lap top had a major malfunction, and I'm runnin a tablet n a smartazz phone. Wayyyy to high tech for an old fart like me and I haven't figured out how to post pics of all the pretty parts!  :-[    EVERYONE is welcome to come join the fun on one of these dates!  and you local yokos know where I live if ya go a spare evening.     ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on November 02, 2015, 02:44:19 PM
ILL COME TAKE SOME PICS OF THE PRETTY PARTS, I SHOULD HAVE DONE IT ON FRIDAY WHEN I WAS THERE........
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on November 02, 2015, 07:29:19 PM
Let me know when you guys are ready for the JLO.   ;-)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on November 03, 2015, 11:29:51 AM
Let me know when you guys are ready for the JLO.   ;-)

I'll give ya a call one of these evenings!

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on November 12, 2015, 10:18:04 PM
The carburetor rebuild is one of the last steps in this little project.  After this, all that remains is to clean up the exhaust manifold.  The carburetor is a Tillotson model HD6A with an external FP-5 Tillotson fuel pump.  These are not your traditional Tillotson but all of the same principles apply. 

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20150630_194725_zps95sq8r2y.jpg)

I was a little suspicious about a few things right away.  I have only worked on a few of these Tillotsons that utilize an external fuel pump but they've all used a Mikuni fuel pump instead of the Tillotson FP style of pump. The first thing i noticed was the high speed jet.  I am not sure how this would ever be adjusted.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20151027_191904_zpsieh5jjbi.jpg)

Some research might be needed to determine if this is the correct fuel pump for that carburetor or possibly this is the wrong adjustment needle.  I would work if it didn't have the pin in it.  The pump attaches the fuel supply circuit in the throttle body by means of a NPT fitting so properly tightened, it would end up in this orientation regardless.  It is a bit confusing.

One screw on the bottom of the carburetor was a pan-head brass machine screw.  Whenever I see this, it usually means that the threads in the throttle body have been stripped and a larger screw was installed in it's place.  Fortunately, there was nothing wrong here and I just needed to replace the screw with the proper one from a parts carburetor.  Bullet dodged.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20151027_191913_zpscon2iukt.jpg)

As soon as I removed the bottom plate, I noticed some assembly issues. The metering diaphragm and it's gasket were improperly installed. The gasket always goes between the diaphragm and the throttle body and not vice versa. 

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20151027_192104_zps5oby8pvj.jpg)

From here the throttle body was completely stripped down for a complete cleaning including the welch plugs.  While they were out, I ensured that the atomizer check ball, hidden behind the plugs and contained within the main fuel nozzle, wasn't stuck.  It was and it was horribly dirty.  After a thorough cleaning in solvent, it was free and clear; operating as normal.   

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20151027_193112_zpskd3qwfg8.jpg)

I only had two HD sized welch plugs left and it's been awhile since I have tapped a few new ones in.  It takes a technique so I had to make sure I got it right the first shot.  I had a new needle and seat that matched the original one so I tossed that in there as well. The old needle was in terrible shape and would never have worked.  I re-adjusted the inlet lever and began re-assembling.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20151111_181512_zpsoyyyqrqd.jpg)

I installed a new metering diaphragm and gasket in the proper positions.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20151111_181626_zpsn4zz9u7e.jpg)

Assembly from here is standard like all the rest of the Tillotsons with the exception of the external fuel pump.  An NOS FP-1 pump was supplied for this project so I installed it. Since it's an NPT thread, it requires thread sealant and a small dollup of Aviation Form-A-Gasket was used on the threads to seal it all up.   There are some slight differences in the FP-1 when compared to the FP-5.  One of these differences is it's final orientation.  The FP-1 comes to tight at an almost horizontal position compared to the FP-5 being vertical.  This gave just enough space to allow adjustment of the high speed needle. The other difference is the positioning of supply and impulse fittings.  The FP-5 has a straight fitting and a 90 degree elbowed fitting whereas the FP-1 has two straight fittings.  I don't think this will matter but if it is preferred, I can certainly swap the guts from the FP-1 into the FP-5 housings.  I could also remove the pin from the high speed needle to make it adjustable.  Dirtman, just let me know what road you would like me to go down.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20151111_193634_zpsyw7foode.jpg)

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20151111_193620_zpskpj0tbsm.jpg)

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20151111_193610_zpsgfq0wkoz.jpg)

I used the same fasteners and the same homemade wrench to re-install the carburetor.  Everything is snugged up tight.

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/20151111_205602_zpsj5exbtn2.jpg)





Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Brokenleg on November 14, 2015, 12:27:02 PM
Looking Great!  8) Brokenleg
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on November 16, 2015, 02:01:48 AM
Dang Mike that beast is sure lookin purrrrdy!! I think the orientation of the nipples shud be just fine!!  You da master!  ;)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: 64pacer on November 17, 2015, 02:25:09 AM
Dirtbag does know nipples.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on November 17, 2015, 03:26:51 AM
His own......... :o
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: palo on November 21, 2015, 01:20:55 AM
Milt
Any idea for a assembly date.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on November 21, 2015, 01:41:31 AM
Jack, I had mentioned 2 dates earlier and never received any yays or nays.  Tomorrow or Dec. 5th as a start. LET ME KNOW GUYS!?!? I'm pretty much here anytime this time of yr.

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on November 22, 2015, 12:27:17 PM
DEC. 5th guys! Whoever can make it, come and join the fun! Any of the local guys wanna drop on by
 And puts, i'm usually here!!  ;)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on November 23, 2015, 02:22:31 PM
I don't think I can make the Dec. 5th date...another hobby is tentatively consuming that day.  2 questions: 1.) How can I get the motor to you guys and 2.) do you want me to test fire it before I send it out your way?


Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on November 24, 2015, 01:43:31 AM
Oh by all means fire that mother up!! AND a vid of it, show off your expertise!!    8)    ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on November 24, 2015, 02:00:00 PM
Alrighty....we'll fire it up tomorrow!  I'll dig out the mule.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on November 25, 2015, 02:46:20 PM
OK, GOT SOME PICS OF THE PRETTY PARTS READY FOR THE DEC 5TH REASSEMBLE PARTY!   
CHASSIS WAS RESTORED AND PAINTED AT POLARIS IN ROSEAU, THANKS TO RANDY LARSON, AARON JOHNSON AND CREW!!!!
SEAT WAS DONATED BY CONRAD VAN BATAVIA (SEATS BY CONRAD)  THE BEST POLARIS SEATS AVAILABLE!  THANKS CONRAD!
TRACK BELTS WERE DONATED BY DON SOUKUP (DR. MARIO)  THE BEST VINTAGE POLARIS PARTS DEALER OUT THERE..........
DIRTMAN,  THE OTHER DONATIONS WE HAVE HIT ON HERE BEFORE, BUT I WILL MAKE UP A POSTER THAT WILL BE ON DISPLAY AT THE BANQUET THAT SHOWS ALL THE DONATIONS AND PEOPLE WHO HELPED WITH THE BUILD.   THANKS TO EVERYONE!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on November 25, 2015, 02:47:56 PM
FEW MORE PICS
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: KKWILL on November 25, 2015, 02:50:50 PM
Wow, lookin good! 8)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on November 25, 2015, 09:35:31 PM
I test fired the engine today.  All went very well except I couldn't get that NOS Champion spark plug to do anything.  Right out of the box,...not even a flicker.  After replacing it,...off she went.  Sorry the sound isn't better but here is a video:

http://vid669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/VID_20151125_114118_zpsgq8bdhya.mp4 (http://vid669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/JLO%20297/VID_20151125_114118_zpsgq8bdhya.mp4)

Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on November 26, 2015, 01:02:03 AM
super duper COOL!!!    8)    8)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on December 02, 2015, 12:58:11 PM
Just a reminder....!  Sat. Dec. 5th is the first "BUILD DAY"!  anyone that is able to make it to my place is more then welcome!  Come join the fun and BS.   ;D.  let's shoot for a 10 a.m. start time? Coffee will be on, and maybe a dried up donut or so.....    :P :P.   SEE Y'ALL THEN!

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on December 02, 2015, 08:32:59 PM
NICK, DAD AND I WILL ALL BE THERE!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: RowdyRay on December 02, 2015, 11:25:49 PM
Wish you weren't so far away. I'd be there in a heart beat. Near the Twin Cities. If someone wants to start a carpool, chime in.   
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on December 03, 2015, 01:38:46 AM
RR, that would be great if a few of ya guys would wanna drive up!  "ROAD TRIP"!   8)   8)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: mtstarfires on December 03, 2015, 04:22:41 PM
wow, looks great guys.  ::) ::) seems like i have seen those parts before .   ken
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: WrenchDeere on December 03, 2015, 06:20:13 PM
You cats have fun on Saturday! Make sure to take some pictures for the majority of us who cannot attend. Also make sure the liquid wrenching fluid is at the ready.......
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on December 03, 2015, 06:29:34 PM
ILL BE TAKING LOTS OF PICS..........
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on December 06, 2015, 02:37:06 AM
Super day! Thanks to the guys that came! Rex had the camera trigger finger goin, so stay tuned for pics of our progress!

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rupp luver on December 06, 2015, 04:38:50 AM
Well,is it done or close to it? Huh.  Huh. ;D
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on December 06, 2015, 04:45:24 PM
Well,is it done or close to it? Huh.  Huh. ;D

Not DONE Dan, but it's a roller!     ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rupp luver on December 07, 2015, 04:42:54 AM
A roller,thats great. ;D
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on December 07, 2015, 05:09:30 PM
well I took about 100 pics on sat.  and I even put some bolts in........... ;D  Here is some of the better ones

we started off slow as we were waiting for Randy Larson, he had some painted parts we needed to get started,  so we did some eating and waited for Randy

Indy got to come along and meet Brody
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on December 07, 2015, 05:13:32 PM
Randy Larson of Polaris industries came with the pretty parts and we got to get started................dirtman was in shock.................lol
Polaris donated the fab work and painting on the chassis and hood.   thank you!!!!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on December 07, 2015, 05:16:20 PM
once we got the drive shaft in..........correctly.........once, twice, tree times.................it went Purdy good!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on December 07, 2015, 05:18:41 PM
track went together nicely.    thanks again dr. Mario for the track belt donation
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on December 07, 2015, 05:21:37 PM
we got her right side up and Indy had to come inside for some treats!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on December 07, 2015, 05:29:25 PM
at this point some guys had to leave so we got a group photo in.   from left to right
first photo is milt scmidt aka dirtman and I (shane chapman) am in the 2nd photo in his place, my son Nick Chapman, Frank Rybanski, DW- Dan Janisch,  Randy Larson, Todd Grabanski,  Al Kujava,  my Dad- Devere Chapman,  Bob Safranski,  Corey Trudell. 

Hope I got all the spellings correct.  forgive me if I didn't..........lol
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on December 07, 2015, 05:32:23 PM
between eating, we did get some work done.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on December 07, 2015, 05:34:52 PM
by this time dirtman and Brody were played out............
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on December 07, 2015, 05:37:25 PM
skis going on..........looking good
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on December 07, 2015, 05:40:24 PM
added the seat which was donated by Conrad Van Batavia-  Seats by Conrad!   wow it looks good
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on December 07, 2015, 05:42:57 PM
one quick before and after pic.    I plan on making a photo book that will go with the sled when it is autioned off.   We will have another build day in jan. to finish it up! 
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on December 07, 2015, 05:43:41 PM
thanks to all those who have donated money, parts and their time.........this has been a really fun project!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on December 07, 2015, 05:52:46 PM
oh I almost forgot this one.............dirtman gave orders from this position mostly............. ::) :o ;D
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: 71pumamod on December 07, 2015, 06:42:14 PM
Looking good guys!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rupp luver on December 07, 2015, 06:50:19 PM
Looks pretty "spiffy". Every shop needs a comfortable chair,it's only fitting that dirtman gets the honor=his shop. That will be a NICE sled when done. :)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: WrenchDeere on December 07, 2015, 07:22:05 PM
Very nice.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: palo on December 08, 2015, 12:08:51 AM
I want it back!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on December 08, 2015, 01:55:48 AM
I want it back!

Haha! Not a problem..., jst have the checkbook handy at Waconia!    ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: palo on December 08, 2015, 02:22:56 AM
I just may have to run it up a ways. Milt, you and your crew are doing a Fabulous job. Something you will always remember.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on December 08, 2015, 01:03:40 PM
THANKS Jack!  It's been BEYOND fun doing this build for sure!    :D the guys have been great working on this, and ranging in age from teens to in there 70's working HAND in HAND!   8)  I feel truly blessed to have the opportunity to be a part of this.    :) 

dirtman

Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on December 08, 2015, 02:53:39 PM
JUST BOOKED OUR ROOM FOR WACONIA, AND SENT IN MY REGISTRATION FORM!!!!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on December 28, 2015, 02:52:45 PM
Got a PM from Adam, clem79, and he has graciously offered FREE TRANSPORTATION for anyone east of the Mississippi who wants to blow the moths outa their checkbook on the auction!!  He's a top notch hauler and it will be taken fine care of!  THANKS Adam! See ya at Waconia.    8)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on January 03, 2016, 01:12:23 AM
When would guys like to meet up for a motor delivery?
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on January 04, 2016, 05:05:10 AM
I have to go to st cloud next week.  Any chance we could meet up?
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on January 04, 2016, 02:01:45 PM
Let's try to make that work, which days will you be in St. Cloud?
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on January 04, 2016, 02:16:28 PM
I travel that way on the 12,  come back home the 14th    but I can meet ya somewhere
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on January 05, 2016, 06:36:36 PM
I won't be able to make the 12th-14th to meet you in St. Cloud.  I could run over to Bemidji again this coming Saturday or Sunday if someone is willing to meet me there,...just as we did to pick up the JLO last time....thoughts?
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on January 05, 2016, 07:03:49 PM
Hey Mike, I'll meet you this wkend 1 way or another! Tried calling you the other day, you musta been out testing the cheater Umm I mean 1 lunger racer....      ::)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on January 09, 2016, 02:30:06 PM
-12.... -34 windmill! When out to Bmji to meet wankel303!    ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: obj1 on January 09, 2016, 09:53:45 PM
Congratulations to everyone involved. I was a small part of a past charity build and can relate to the dedication it takes to finish this project. The snowmobile looks great and you should all be proud of your accomplishment. Thank You!!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on January 09, 2016, 11:49:51 PM
Thanks obj 1! It's been a blast doing it, getting a bunch of guys together and having fun! and the best part being for a deserving charity that makes "WISHES COME TRUE"!     8)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on January 09, 2016, 11:58:37 PM
OH! and thanks Mike for meeting me half way again today!  :D the motor looks WONDERFUL!   8)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on January 10, 2016, 12:33:20 AM
You definitely had the more difficult run this morning Dirtman...it was a balmy 7 degrees F, with a mild -10 degrees F windchill when I left Duluth.  Can't wait to see it popping along the lake in a few weeks!!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Ski-Doer on January 12, 2016, 03:06:34 PM
That sled looks great!  Can't wait to see the finished product in person.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on January 12, 2016, 10:30:09 PM
OK guys, I'm gonna call another build day for this Saturday! Palo says be wants to come and help! I think we shud be pretty much able to get it buttoned up too! This will be good cuz I'm getting B.S. withdrawals....  :D see ya all on Saturday about 10ish?

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Gilson435 on January 12, 2016, 10:57:08 PM
OK guys, I'm gonna call another build day for this Saturday! Palo says be wants to come and help! I think we shud be pretty much able to get it buttoned up too! This will be good cuz I'm getting B.S. withdrawals....  :D see ya all on Saturday about 10ish?

dirtman


I should be able to make it this time, no kids!! http://vintagesleds.com/bs/Smileys/default/cool.gif (http://vintagesleds.com/bs/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Ski-Doer on January 12, 2016, 11:35:10 PM
Wish I could help on these builds every year but Winnipeg is just a little far to come.  Take lots of pictures this weekend!!!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on January 13, 2016, 12:30:31 AM
Wish I could help on these builds every year but Winnipeg is just a little far to come.  Take lots of pictures this weekend!!!

check it's only 120 miles!    ;)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: palo on January 13, 2016, 01:31:55 AM
Milt can you post your address, can't remember how I got there before.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on January 13, 2016, 01:49:55 AM
Nort west mini-soda....  ;D

30667 300th st. NW
Argyle Mn 56713
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Gilson435 on January 13, 2016, 01:44:55 PM
There are incentives for showing up....Milt has asked me to bring 2 doz buns. Soooo.... ;)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: AllSkiDoo on January 13, 2016, 04:34:24 PM
You are short 2 buns.  Hmmm ;D
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Starfire Joe on January 13, 2016, 10:02:04 PM
I still like the bun selection even if they are short 2 buns


Starfire Joe aka Mustang Joe
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: RowdyRay on January 14, 2016, 12:06:33 AM
You are short 2 buns.  Hmmm ;D

Lol. Can't post my reply. I'd get the boot.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on January 14, 2016, 12:35:30 AM
You are short 2 buns.  Hmmm ;D

Lol. Can't post my reply. I'd get the boot.

Oh I was thinkn of some good ones.... But......  ::)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on January 14, 2016, 12:56:06 AM
Just had a chat with Palo, and he has received a generous cash donation from Neil Thesing! THANKS Neil!

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Sno-Pony on January 14, 2016, 01:03:15 AM
You are short 2 buns.  Hmmm ;D

Lol. Can't post my reply. I'd get the boot.

Oh I was thinkn of some good ones.... But......  ::)
Don't you mean...BUTT!!!...
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: palo on January 14, 2016, 01:04:56 AM
Milt
That should be Neil Thesing, P and the t sound a lot alike over a cell phone.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Sno-Pony on January 14, 2016, 01:06:38 AM
You are short 2 buns.  Hmmm ;D

Lol. Can't post my reply. I'd get the boot.

Oh I was thinkn of some good ones.... But......  ::)
Don't you mean...BUTT!!!...
LOL,  Did that all wrong!   Don't you mean...BUTT!!!...   Having trouble typing after lookin at that!!!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on January 14, 2016, 01:18:52 AM
Thanks for the correction Jack......  got it!

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on January 16, 2016, 01:31:36 PM
Heading out to the shop guys!    ;D

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Gilson435 on January 16, 2016, 02:03:14 PM
See ya around 10.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Ski-Doer on January 16, 2016, 03:05:35 PM
Well I'll be!  I had no idea it was so close to me. That's only a 2 hour drive.  My cottage takes 2.5 hours.  I'll pass on the buns, there's a bun in the oven at home.  Be nice to put a face to the name dirtman and we can talk about me helping wrench next year.  See you at Waconia.  If you see me or Mrs. Ski-Doer, make sure to say hi.  Can't miss her in the yellow Ski-doo outfit, Mint 71 ELan with yellow carry boose!

     Ski-Doer.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on January 17, 2016, 02:14:25 AM
So are you guys driving that old bird around the yard yet?
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Gilson435 on January 17, 2016, 02:29:04 AM
So are you guys driving that old bird around the yard yet?

Not quite. Couple little things to button up yet. Looking good though!!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on January 17, 2016, 02:32:42 AM
So are you guys driving that old bird around the yard yet?

Not quite yet Mike but it's VERY CLOSE!!    ;D the resident pic taker, aka REX RULES had othe commitments today I guess...., something about FORGETTING his wife's BIRTHDAY?!?!  Hmmmmm
I got some pics with my phone.., will see if I can figure something out!

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on January 17, 2016, 02:57:07 AM
Ya Ski-Doer, we're not too far away!    ;)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on January 17, 2016, 05:21:30 AM
If you want to text the pictures from your phone to me,....I can post 'em for ya.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on January 17, 2016, 01:02:23 PM
If you want to text the pictures from your phone to me,....I can post 'em for ya.

Thanks Mike! I'll work on that... this "old fart" needs to recoup!    ::)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on January 17, 2016, 11:59:06 PM
Thanks for putting my life on the web............lol
Sorry.  Couldn't make it.   If mommas not happy ain't nobody happy....sled looks great.   
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Gilson435 on January 18, 2016, 12:18:09 AM
Thanks for putting my life on the web............lol
Sorry.  Couldn't make it.   If mommas not happy ain't nobody happy....sled looks great.

Shame, shame...everybody knows your name :-[ LOL!  ;D ;) 8)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on January 18, 2016, 01:58:51 AM
Thanks for putting my life on the web............lol
Sorry.  Couldn't make it.   If mommas not happy ain't nobody happy....sled looks great.

You're welcome REX! You know me... always willing to help out!   ::)    :P

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: ifschap on January 18, 2016, 04:46:43 PM
Is the sled all done? If so can you post some photos!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on January 18, 2016, 07:16:50 PM
The sled is very close to being done.  Here are a few shots from this weekends work day:

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/Mobile%20Uploads/20160116_143733_zpslpk2x2op.jpg)

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/Mobile%20Uploads/20160116_142559_zpslds3dpq9.jpg)

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/Mobile%20Uploads/20160116_112521_zpsxibqsdds.jpg)

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/Mobile%20Uploads/20160116_112111_zpsr3hgz81c.jpg)

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/Mobile%20Uploads/20160116_112123_zpsnbz7veg7.jpg)

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/Mobile%20Uploads/20160116_111946_zpsp8ulv4ak.jpg)

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/Mobile%20Uploads/20160112_122416_zps4syltog0.jpg)

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/Mobile%20Uploads/20160107_134805_zpsivaqersk.jpg)

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/Mobile%20Uploads/20160107_165131_zpsvjtyi7ci.jpg)

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/Mobile%20Uploads/20160107_141451_zpsrv1jgiun.jpg)

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/Mobile%20Uploads/16125_zpsowokmyup.jpeg)

(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv57/mlackore/Mobile%20Uploads/20151230_130405_zpsli9cnqck.jpg)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: ifschap on January 18, 2016, 07:19:38 PM
WOW!!! It looks great!!! I can't wait to see it up close!!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: WrenchDeere on January 18, 2016, 07:54:50 PM
You guys do excellent work.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Mario on January 18, 2016, 08:02:41 PM
Very Nice!! :)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on January 19, 2016, 02:07:06 PM
Thanks for getting the pics up Mike! and thanks also for the compliments guys, it's been a long haul.. but the end is near! Hopefully it will bring some good $$ for the make-a-wish charity!  It's been a blast doing it and ALL the guys involved have been GREAT! THANKS EVERYONE!! see ya at WACONIA!   

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: 634panther on January 19, 2016, 02:48:08 PM
Very nice job guys! Hope it brings lots of money for a great cause!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on January 19, 2016, 02:58:59 PM
I will get pics after the decals are installed for the finished look!   
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: polaris-case on January 19, 2016, 03:36:11 PM
Glad you guys are getting it done and it looks better than new !!  Thanks to all the donations for a great cause and it raises some good 💰💰 for a great cause !! Job well done !!  Dale
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: oldsled on January 19, 2016, 10:14:49 PM
Nice job fellas. 

Here is the first Make a Wish sled from 2009.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: obj1 on January 20, 2016, 02:47:56 PM
Looks like Jack showed up after the work was done!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on January 20, 2016, 03:12:58 PM
Looks like Jack showed up after the work was done!

Actually Jack picked the crappiest job of the day cleaning and prepping the muffler!   :o oh he did find the homemade cinnamon rolls....    ::)

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: obj1 on January 20, 2016, 03:49:42 PM
Who would of ever thought to look in the sand blaster for the rolls? Lol
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on January 21, 2016, 09:14:25 PM
It's done!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: fp1967 on January 21, 2016, 09:22:13 PM
Good job to everyone involved.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Gilson435 on January 21, 2016, 09:48:12 PM
YAY!!!!!!!! Looks even better up close in person 8)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: polaris-case on January 21, 2016, 11:54:21 PM
Looks good guys !!   I don't see any snow on the skis thou  ;D   Dale
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: 64pacer on January 22, 2016, 02:31:07 AM
Nice job fellas. 

Here is the first Make a Wish sled from 2009.
I remember that. It was Alot of fun.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: markcp on January 22, 2016, 11:39:54 AM
Great job guys. 

Is there any type of list showing past charity build sleds and what they brought at the auction?  Just curious.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: TXL SP on January 22, 2016, 11:56:01 AM
Nice job! just think,,all sleds looked almost that good when they were new! :D
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: 71TXman on January 22, 2016, 11:50:49 PM
Great job on the sled guys!!!! Very nice work done by all!

Really sharp looking machine there  8)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: KKWILL on January 23, 2016, 12:06:24 AM
LOOKS PURDY!  8)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: WrenchDeere on January 23, 2016, 12:54:15 AM
Excellent work, gentlemen.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on January 26, 2016, 02:28:54 PM
Well sledheads.., we're just 3 days away from the biggest and best vintage snowmobile gathering on this planet. The 2016 WACONIA RIDE-IN!!   8)  the Larson patienly awaits it's journey, to find it's new caretaker! I want to thank all involved in making this happen, from donating parts and dollars towards the project and those that physically helped! A special thanks to Randy Larson and his crew from POLARIS INDUSTRIES in Roseau MN for making it pretty! Corey Wympfeimer, the fab shop "paint guy" made the paint shine like a new-borns behind!    ;D. Also going thru the thread, I seem to have forgotten to mention that Art Sydel had the gas tank cleaned and painted perfectly! Thanks Art. it's been a long 10 months, but the time has come, see you this wkend and let's see a bid buster auction for Make a Wish charity! THANK YOU ONE AND ALL!

Milt Smidt
aka the "dirtman"
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on January 26, 2016, 02:55:23 PM
I want to thank the dirtman for letting us use his shop, tools ect.  It really was a lot of fun.   I will put some duct tape on my coat,  say hi if you see me at Waconia.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: GaWajn on January 26, 2016, 04:49:59 PM
BRAVO!!! A job well done!  8)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Mr_Plow on January 26, 2016, 05:07:18 PM
Can't wait to see it! Good Job!!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on January 29, 2016, 12:43:06 PM
The Larson shud be in the ballroom by 3 pm. today! Make sure to take a look! Please don't drool on it.....     :P

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: 71TXman on January 31, 2016, 09:23:08 PM
So who is the lucky new owner of this beauty!!!!

What was the high bid on the sled?
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rupp luver on February 01, 2016, 04:43:09 AM
I thought I heard $3900.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: JLOpower on February 01, 2016, 09:53:15 AM
Hopefully someone will have some photos and an update of the activities.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on February 01, 2016, 01:52:06 PM
Hey guys! Back home in nort west minni-sota... Rex has some great pics of the banquet and auction to post but yes, Loren (?) Larson from Loydminster Alberta/Saskatchewan was the winning bidder. $3900 for Make a Wish!  Thanks again EVERYONE!!

dirtman
and the entire build crew!
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Gilson435 on February 01, 2016, 02:13:03 PM
That's awesome!!  8)
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Rex Rules on February 01, 2016, 03:03:45 PM
HERE ARE A COUPLE PICS,  VERY COOL NITE,  NICE GUY BOUGHT THE SLED FOR  HIS COLLECTION.  THANKS TO EVERYONE AGAIN,  DAD, NICK AND I HAD A GREAT TIME.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: 71TXman on February 01, 2016, 03:05:09 PM
Very, very cool!!!! Great sled, great charity, put together by a great group of people!

Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: wankel303 on February 01, 2016, 07:48:30 PM
I was just an auxilliary participant but this was indeed an extremely fun project....I enjoyed every minute of it.
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: dirtman on February 01, 2016, 08:27:44 PM
Mike, you were a very crucial part of the build, an wish you had been able to stay for the banquet! That little 297JLO was perfectly clean and looked NOS!

dirtman
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: MR Misfit on February 02, 2016, 01:28:43 AM
nice what did it go for you guys did a great job on it
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: Team Obsolete on February 02, 2016, 02:47:03 AM
Congrats Lorne.. :)  A great Addition for your collection..Glad to see you have a Fantastic larson..
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: GoJakesGo on February 04, 2016, 11:00:50 AM
Pretty sure we spoke with Lorne at the Inn we stayed at. He had some of his gear go missing. Hope he his weekend got better. Very nice sled
Title: Re: Waconia Charity Build 2016
Post by: sledaholic on May 06, 2016, 04:35:50 PM
Beautiful sled! Awesome restoration. Many made it out here to the Northeast, but quite a few never make it past the barn. Watching an old post and beam barn's roof slowly collapsing on two vintage survivors on our road, that can't be bought. Same for cars, tractors, and antiques. Snow gets heavy out here. Glad to see all the effort applied for a great charity. Hats off, to those involved and especially the previous owner. Sleds been loved, despite the dust! :)